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Cheezoholic

(2,023 posts)
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:52 AM Sep 2022

This will get lost in the GD thread. I just have a hard time and need to rant over this Ian bullshit [View all]

Please don't get me wrong. I have compassion for people that have been traumatized by something like this. I feel terribly for any loss of peoples loved ones. I am definitely not an unfeeling human being, I really do care. That's why I am going to say something, bash me if you want.

I have a long family history in FL, my indigenous family and had been going there for many years when I was younger. Not as a tourist, but to see family.
The first time I permanently moved there I was invited by a distant cousin and moved to Indian Rocks Beach in 84. Anyone who had been to that little town before the mid 90's knows it was the last bastion of old 50's style white man Florida left on the west coast besides maybe Cedar Key. Gulf Blvd was damn near a dirt road. They didn't allow condos until the late 90's. I lived in a 3 room bungalow with my cousin with the beach and the longest pier in FL as my front porch. I took nothing for granted. I worked on a long line boat with my cousin. I got to know my biggest neighbor, the ocean, intimately for the first time. You couldn't get me out of it, I loved it, still do. But for all its beauty I listened, learned and respected when those with experience spoke of the dark side. Sure I had read about storms, saw TV footage, but when you hear about them first hand, when you learn about and respect a new environment you live in you best listen.

In 85 I got my first real lesson with Elena, a Cat 5 storm that never moved. It never got closer than 60 or 70 miles from us. For nearly 4 days it just sent wave after wave of surge at us, upwards of 9 feet. It was scary as hell. We were going to get off the island but the surge came in so quick we were stuck. We were also helping others that were caught by the surprise of the surge. I watched the longest pier in FL die. You must remember they couldn't predict back then the way they can now. But because I listened, learned and suddenly truly respected about where I lived fear turned to understanding.

I've lived many places in the almost 40 years after that, over half within eyesight of that beautiful neighbor with a temper.. And that lesson has helped me I think more than any other in my life. Where ever you go, move, live or anything you do in your life you have a personal responsibility to listen, learn and respect your new environment. If you cant, are not willing or are just to arrogant, stay where you're at. The bad part...

DON'T MOVE TO FLORIDA unless you're willing to go back to school and learn about where you're living. I am very very serious about that. The environment of Florida owes you nothing, and it's not just storms. While it is beautiful, especially in its natural state, while it has some kind of "Disney" other worldliness that a cornfield or an urban row of same 'ole same 'ole homes needing mowed, raked and shoveled of snow year after year, a seasonal monotony of a working lifetime that would naturally be envious of Florida then DEFINITELY DO NOT MOVE to the coast unless you are seriously going to change your life, unless you are going to educate yourself and LEARN and RESPECT where you're about live.

You're not only endangering yourself you are selfishly endangering others who have to come and get you when you cry. I get so sick of hearing either on TV, or in person of storms I've been in, someone from Michigan or New Jersey or Indiana or just any damn place up north who damn near gets killed or gets other people killed or cries because their house 6 feet above sea level is gone because they think that the ocean around a spit of land that has, is, and will be slammed by these storms more than just about anyplace in the world is just a big jet ski party.

Climate change or not IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN THERE! Fucking deal with it or go back where you came from. Sorry but I've heard it over and over and over and over. Go down for a month in May get you some Micky Mouse ears and then go home if you're not willing to understand the risk your taking for you, your family and personally, having too many people down there has permanently fucked up one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Commence with the bashing I don't care... I'm right.

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I would never live in Florida. ananda Sep 2022 #1
I moved to Florida in 2014. I love it here jimfields33 Sep 2022 #16
Mr. Fields, there's a difference between my state's negative weather and yours jmowreader Sep 2022 #21
👍👍👍 Rebl2 Sep 2022 #49
Hear, hear. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #141
The Worst Part Of Living In FL Is The Political "leadership" SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #24
I can think of a few other things to be "worse" than assholes like TFG jmowreader Sep 2022 #112
Richardhead Leadership isn't responsibile in whole or part for the temperatures, really, soldierant Sep 2022 #137
Now there is not nearly enough housing for the survivors Historic NY Sep 2022 #40
My brother settled in the Tampa area wnylib Sep 2022 #66
One thing I have noticed watching the news footage in Florida. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #2
Finger crossed they don't let them put them back. nt Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #4
I agree Rebl2 Sep 2022 #57
The city I'm in worked time pay out 25 houses. Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #106
What does putting houses on an island have to do with greed? brooklynite Sep 2022 #6
Kinda like building a house too close to Amazon river if you know it will flood yearly and be gone. TigressDem Sep 2022 #10
I do believe the poster was talking about those that build the homes. Butterflylady Sep 2022 #23
What's greedy about building homes where people want them? brooklynite Sep 2022 #30
Maybe not greedy, but perhaps selfish. They want to build on a sand spit then we catbyte Sep 2022 #44
THIS!!! NoSheep Sep 2022 #56
Thank you. They're called barrier islands for a reason. catbyte Sep 2022 #76
👆👆👆 Rebl2 Sep 2022 #67
Thank you!!! llmart Sep 2022 #90
This. MontanaMama Sep 2022 #99
shifting sands. You can't fix stupid with money though. They should not even allow construction. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #111
Exactly! phylny Sep 2022 #121
Builders, buyers, governments who let them do it are at fault Cassidy Sep 2022 #47
Maybe the land/houses are cheap because it is prone to flooding? LeftInTX Sep 2022 #50
This is fasinating! ShazzieB Sep 2022 #142
It's probably an estimate LeftInTX Sep 2022 #145
I think it's some kind of an error Edim Oct 2022 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author CCExile Sep 2022 #58
Home builders greed. Some of those islands are completely covered with houses. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #93
What about Hawaii? Those islands get typhoons all the time. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #17
actully hawaii doesnt get many typhoons. and the northeast the same moonshinegnomie Sep 2022 #36
How many tsunamis? wnylib Sep 2022 #43
The last really destructive one was from the 9.5 Chilean earthquake in 1960. catbyte Sep 2022 #46
I had a vague, general idea of what a tsunami was, but wnylib Sep 2022 #52
I've always been a weather/earth sciences nerd, which is ironic because I live in one of catbyte Sep 2022 #77
You're in Michigan, aren't you? wnylib Sep 2022 #87
Yep. I grew up practically on Lake Michigan in northern lower Michigan catbyte Sep 2022 #102
I'm in western NY, near Buffalo, but wnylib Sep 2022 #107
I remember the blizzard of 1978. I was living in Grand Rapids, MI at the time catbyte Sep 2022 #108
Interstate 90 ran behind our apartment building. wnylib Sep 2022 #113
I'm in Erie orangecrush Sep 2022 #143
15 miles south of Erie? Near Waterford? wnylib Oct 2022 #150
Lived in Toledo as well lonely bird Sep 2022 #103
Love every second of it. MiHale Sep 2022 #100
I'm not complaining -- I love it here. I grew up in Charlevoix and it was a little piece of heaven. catbyte Sep 2022 #104
I figured you were, I was too...earthquakes! 😂 MiHale Sep 2022 #122
I do believe you're wrong about that. Butterflylady Sep 2022 #37
1972 Hurricane Agnes wnylib Sep 2022 #48
More recently, there was Hurricane Isabel in 2003 wnylib Sep 2022 #86
Understand your point, but there are enough disasters of all sorts throughout the nation. Was a allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #53
Actually, they don't. Mister Ed Sep 2022 #38
I actually had to postpone a trip to Hawaii mchill Sep 2022 #129
The last hurricane to hit Hawaii was Iniki in 1992 and that was an outlier. catbyte Sep 2022 #39
My cousin and a friend were recruited to teach on KAUAI Historic NY Sep 2022 #81
Hawaii is not prone to storm surge LeftInTX Sep 2022 #69
Real estate developers have dominated Florida legislatures since the 1920s. In the 1960s, they allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #61
Florida, for too many, is the product of Florida's "entrepreneur ". jaxexpat Sep 2022 #65
Yes, that's what occurred to me as well PatSeg Sep 2022 #116
They're called barrier islands for a reason. Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #117
I've lived in Florida my entire life. The last 30 plus years Phoenix61 Sep 2022 #3
There's no mandatory evacuations for snow and ice storms. Kaleva Sep 2022 #31
Different survival skills. Mariana Sep 2022 #45
Not really. You go about your day pretty much normally. Kaleva Sep 2022 #128
The same area that was brought to its knees TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #135
I don't live on the coast Kaleva Oct 2022 #152
Then you live somewhere in which TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #156
I don't live in an are where there's severe drought, flooding, Kaleva Oct 2022 #159
Fantastic! Sounds like paradise on earth! TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #160
All you have to do is make the effort to move. Kaleva Oct 2022 #161
I went to help after Andy GreenWave Sep 2022 #5
And Florida termites eat everything in sight, from what I've heard... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2022 #34
Ah yes inthewind21 Sep 2022 #89
Great post, Cheezo!! Leghorn21 Sep 2022 #7
Sounds reasonable to me. yardwork Sep 2022 #8
K&R (Respect nature) betsuni Sep 2022 #9
My brother was in a Cat 5 Hurricane (Winston) in the Fiji Islands, 2016. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #11
Wow. mahina Sep 2022 #12
My brother can be a royal pain in the ass, but he has his moments. :) Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #20
He rode out a Cat 5 storm in a forest of mangrove trees. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #29
Amazing. Pinback Sep 2022 #126
I know. Yes he said the whole thing was surreal and the stuff of nightmares. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #130
Wow. Remarkable stories! Pinback Sep 2022 #134
YW Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #136
Fiji Islands are formed by volcanos, this saves lives in hurricanes. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #78
Yes but my point is that also the Fiji people take sensible precautions to prevent deaths. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #80
I lived in Orlando during college. Learned enough to know it won't be year round for me. TigressDem Sep 2022 #13
Excellent assesment of the situation on the coasts of the world. GoneOffShore Sep 2022 #14
Good stuff. MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #15
Move to Leesburg Florida. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #19
Yes! That area is great radical noodle Sep 2022 #51
Excellent. I haven't lost power and Internet or cable during any hurricane. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #55
We're off 441/27 just south of Belleview radical noodle Sep 2022 #70
I agree. I live in the plantation. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #75
more reasonable insurance prices. dembotoz Sep 2022 #97
Know it well. MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #60
My dad bought his house on treasure island in 1949 EX500rider Sep 2022 #148
I hear you. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #18
Ft Myers Friend's house DownriverDem Sep 2022 #22
back in 2009 we were looking at warm weather places to move to from wisconsin moonshinegnomie Sep 2022 #25
It has been OVER 100 years since St. Pete was hit. MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #62
Kick dalton99a Sep 2022 #26
Totally agree with you Katinfl Sep 2022 #27
When I retired 13 years ago my dream was buying a place and moving to Florida. doc03 Sep 2022 #28
All of that is true. MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #64
I have mixed feelings about people who choose to live in hurricane prone areas. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #32
Myrtle Beach MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #68
my opinion if you live in a flood prone area moonshinegnomie Sep 2022 #74
I agree. Duppers Oct 2022 #163
Sometimes you just can't fight Mother Nature. calimary Sep 2022 #109
You are right but the ebb and flow of understanding this will be slow in coming. Tadpole Raisin Sep 2022 #33
I don't understand the problem here. Chalco Sep 2022 #35
Couldn't agree more. Grew up a few miles south of Indian Rocks -- a family friend had a tiny log allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #41
As an old Florida resident I moved out in 1973. The last time Emile Sep 2022 #42
We are not one with Nature any longer Marthe48 Sep 2022 #54
I love where I live in SE Az. 4650 ft, 9600 ft peaks nearby. panader0 Sep 2022 #59
I've been in Florida since 1957. rubbersole Sep 2022 #63
Lived there for 26 years. slater71 Sep 2022 #71
Same can be said for cilla4progress Sep 2022 #72
The bugs drove me out of Florida left-of-center2012 Sep 2022 #73
That's the worst part of Texas too.. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #82
Have you tried roach baits? left-of-center2012 Sep 2022 #85
They don't seem to be effective on large roaches in our home. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #91
For drains I bought ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2022 #101
This is what happened with the drain LeftInTX Sep 2022 #105
Love raccoons! When I lived in a cottage moonscape Sep 2022 #94
They are dangerous, please do not encourage them. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #98
Sorry for your experience, mine was moonscape Sep 2022 #127
They are wild animals. Simple. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #140
Not just bugs..Sister lives in Lady Lake. They have other things like: Paper Roses Sep 2022 #118
I was born and raised in FL, all my family is here and I don't want to leave them. lark Sep 2022 #79
You're right, of course. But those Michiganders and NJites coming to live on the coast are, by Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #83
Wealthy is a relative adjective. llmart Sep 2022 #96
I'm with you Cheezo! Quakerfriend Sep 2022 #84
Couldn't agree more. We see it AZ all the time. grantcart Sep 2022 #88
"Commence with the bashing I don't care... I'm right." LOL USALiberal Sep 2022 #92
Climate change is real LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #95
I used to love FL and sought out the most remote, unspoiled places. It is way too overbuilt for Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #110
Something devoutly to be wished. Bugs Bunny knows what to do! amb123 Sep 2022 #114
I am confused Skittles Sep 2022 #115
I also would never move to Florida. Politics and phylny Sep 2022 #119
I was in Florida once....in July. Sogo Sep 2022 #120
Have lived there 2x leighbythesea2 Sep 2022 #123
Just like in California The Mouth Sep 2022 #124
I can be just as indignant about mchill Sep 2022 #125
Since most people don't have common sense, it may need to get a bit more draconian. roamer65 Sep 2022 #131
Everyone should live where there are no hurricanes TheBeam19 Sep 2022 #132
Bankrupt insurance companies do no one any good. roamer65 Sep 2022 #133
Can't bash anybody who's right Warpy Sep 2022 #138
There are 2.6 million septic tanks in FL. secondwind Sep 2022 #139
they bitch and moan about taxes purr-rat beauty Sep 2022 #144
The answer would make right wing heads explode, but long ago there needed to be federal zoning LT Barclay Sep 2022 #146
The Federal Flood Insurance program should pay off ONE total claim. No more. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #154
I've seen examples where folks have used those low interest loans to go from shacks near the water LT Barclay Oct 2022 #162
No love for Florida from me. I spent about a year living in Florida GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #147
I'll take hurricanes over tornados any day, lots of time to get ready & evacuate if you need to. EX500rider Sep 2022 #149
I just watched Beach Front Bargan Hunt. A couple was looking at Condos in Treasure applegrove Oct 2022 #151
What drives me crazy is.. jerseyjim Oct 2022 #155
even before Ian, i always wondered WHY people moved to Florida!!! I went there in December samnsara Oct 2022 #157
Excellent post malaise Oct 2022 #158
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