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40. Yes, that's correct. JPII really got the party started with the diocese-packing. That led to...
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 04:35 AM
Feb 2023

...a lot of other knock-on effects. As the favored ultraconservatives began getting the big promotions, many went along with the new party line whether they agreed or not. The reactionary turn in the Church attracted billionaire money from people like Tom Monaghan, and these two trends reinforced each other. Pretty soon we had reactionary publishers, media networks like the execrable EWTN, and phony radtrad "colleges" for neurotic parents who wanted to silo their kids off from "modernity" (Christendom College, Franciscan University, etc.).

A good illustration of just how much times have changed is to look at the activities of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) over the years. In the mid-1980s, the USCCB released pastoral letters on topics such as the arms race and economic justice. By 2011, the USCCB was attacking same-sex marriage with slick, Hollywood-style videos like Marriage: Unique For A Reason, which can charitably be described as patronizing (at best). The reactionary archbishop of the Twin Cities at the time (John Nienstedt) organized a mass mailing of more than 400,000 DVDs to Minnesotans before Election Day 2010, calling for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. (It failed).

https://sojo.net/magazine/march-2019/rise-catholic-right
https://www.startribune.com/catholics-to-get-dvds-opposing-gay-marriage/103494984/

Yep, agree! A lot of religions are getting rather bizarre. They are aligned with Trump, that RKP5637 Feb 2023 #1
Some of those Catholic bishops in Western Wisc Tetrachloride Feb 2023 #2
Many years ago I remember moniss Feb 2023 #5
Got you beat DENVERPOPS Feb 2023 #9
I was in school moniss Feb 2023 #36
I remember exactly what you do. What's more, I... TreasonousBastard Feb 2023 #44
And you, for stirring mine, moniss, Thank you......NC DENVERPOPS Feb 2023 #97
I remember. kskiska Feb 2023 #67
And in Missouri. debm55 Feb 2023 #73
;-( elleng Feb 2023 #3
Look into your heart.. your heart.. Deuxcents Feb 2023 #4
Very good advice. At one time I wanted to be a Sister of Charity. I didn't. I felt my mission in debm55 Feb 2023 #6
I was raised Roman Catholic, attend kindergarten and first grade PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2023 #7
So many of us.. one way or the other, we've..can I say..survived? Deuxcents Feb 2023 #25
Yes. you have it. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2023 #27
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Feb 2023 #31
So was I. And I started questioning things a few years in, myself. calimary Feb 2023 #33
I Went To Catholic Schools... ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #53
I grew up Catholic as well. I left when I realized three things: phylny Feb 2023 #72
Two things we need to be wary of FakeNoose Feb 2023 #8
GREAT ONE, FN NC DENVERPOPS Feb 2023 #98
You can thank JPII and Benny for that... regnaD kciN Feb 2023 #10
Wow. ShazzieB Feb 2023 #23
Yes, that's correct. JPII really got the party started with the diocese-packing. That led to... keep_left Feb 2023 #40
Oh! Well, that explains a lot! I'd already left The Church 50 yrs earlier so didn't pay... electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #51
Lol. The German Priests are in an all out opposition DenaliDemocrat Feb 2023 #63
IMO, the Catholic Church has always been a huge grifting scam. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #11
American Catholic bishops have been awful my entire life, as far as I've been aware of them. RockRaven Feb 2023 #12
Catholics are the enemy of The KKK. AKA Southern Baptists. czarjak Feb 2023 #13
Sorry, I think you've really missed the truth. arthritisR_US Feb 2023 #20
The kkk used to be very anti Catholic, markodochartaigh Feb 2023 #34
And the Catholic Church is the enemy of women. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #21
The KKK tried to pull their bigoted anti-Catholic bullshit here in Iowa. old as dirt Feb 2023 #43
So what?! That doesn't erase the Church's centuries of anti-women brutality and oppression! Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #56
+1 Celerity Feb 2023 #59
So what??? old as dirt Feb 2023 #90
Just because you are white doesn't make your religion "superior" (nt) old as dirt Feb 2023 #91
WTF?! When did I say that? I don't have a religion. I think ALL religion is stupid. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #95
Religion The root of all evil! EOM tiredtoo Feb 2023 #14
Please. summer_in_TX Feb 2023 #28
+1,000,000 wnylib Feb 2023 #38
Well said. electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #49
Ignorance, fear and gullibility to grifters: The root of religion. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #58
Look, I once shared the prejudice. summer_in_TX Feb 2023 #87
The whole framing of Christianity is incredibly damaging to women. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #96
I find the Christian myth has a great deal of truth. Enough truth to be worth believing. summer_in_TX Feb 2023 #99
All evil? Dr. Strange Feb 2023 #93
I grew up in South Bend, IN hoosierspud Feb 2023 #15
I remember back moniss Feb 2023 #37
The Christian Church, Catholic or otherwise, has a long history of intolerance and prejudice vlyons Feb 2023 #16
Don't even pay attention to them. It's the same group of Catholic bishops that *always* go after... Hekate Feb 2023 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Dum Aloo Feb 2023 #18
"True Catholic" and "True President" work fine for this atheist. (nt) old as dirt Feb 2023 #70
As a Lapsed, I *will*judge them. I've held on to nostalgia for"the olde religion"(after Henry VIII). UTUSN Feb 2023 #19
Realize that this is the new Right Wing that claims they are Catholic PlutosHeart Feb 2023 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Feb 2023 #75
They're extremely conservatives ... aggiesal Feb 2023 #24
I always remeber their anthem........... DFW Feb 2023 #26
I was raised Catholic and attended samplegirl Feb 2023 #29
How dare they say that? PlanetBev Feb 2023 #30
Oh, didn't know that about Colbert. How terrible! electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #50
You know you've been powerfully brainwashed Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #80
Hey, Fadda Coughlin! Mopar151 Feb 2023 #32
Uh-oh! old as dirt Feb 2023 #52
look at it this way orleans Feb 2023 #35
Biden should leave the church Dirty Socialist Feb 2023 #39
Why should he allow himself to be bullied out of his own religion? old as dirt Feb 2023 #42
Exactly! That's like us being told to vote for a republican! imanamerican63 Feb 2023 #48
Don't give up. old as dirt Feb 2023 #88
I agree. No liberal should support the RCC. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #79
More arguing over woo about sky beings and the wilful suspension of disbelief that is necessary to Celerity Feb 2023 #41
Well said! Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #57
It is just sad that the world's oldest con (the human invention of god/gods) is still not only Celerity Feb 2023 #61
Totally agree! And there is a YUUUUGE double standard on this site Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #65
Do Catholic Cultures have a right to exist? (nt) old as dirt Feb 2023 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author old as dirt Feb 2023 #92
My grandmother gave up on the Catholic church when.... TreasonousBastard Feb 2023 #45
President Biden is in good company. old as dirt Feb 2023 #46
I'll tell you what's disturbing, putting money in a plate on Sunday that goes to Catholic lawsuits JuJuChen Feb 2023 #47
Not to mention, if you're a woman supporting the Catholic Church, you're supporting Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #60
My wife is unlikely to quit her culture. old as dirt Feb 2023 #74
I don't really identify with a particular culture Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #78
In historical writings, I usually see that referred to as "la culture mayor". old as dirt Feb 2023 #81
No offense. But if you've recently discovered this: that surprises me. shrike3 Feb 2023 #54
No offense, but you have a history of attacking Black Catholic Cultures in the Catholic group. old as dirt Feb 2023 #77
I think the abortion issue has caused a schism in the U.S. Catholic church JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2023 #55
The Liturgy is not the Magesterium DenaliDemocrat Feb 2023 #62
we need their names and for US parishioners to dmemand this shit stop. nt Baltimike Feb 2023 #64
Most Catholics don't follow the Church's teachings on contraception milestogo Feb 2023 #66
Not to mention divorce. old as dirt Feb 2023 #69
When I was growing up, it was uncommon for Catholics to divorce. milestogo Feb 2023 #71
A Blast from the Past old as dirt Feb 2023 #82
You can always write these Bishops letters, telling them what you think. hunter Feb 2023 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Feb 2023 #76
Now that I think of it, ... old as dirt Feb 2023 #83
Some bishops love playing the No True Scotsman card sakabatou Feb 2023 #85
I always think it's better GenThePerservering Feb 2023 #86
When I was young - in middle school, we used to have womanofthehills Feb 2023 #89
Anyone who claims to speak for God does not have a voice worth listening to. Earth-shine Feb 2023 #94
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