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146. No, the video does not lie.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:51 PM
Mar 2023

Harry is outlining the problems with the British press coverage exactly as I stated in my prior post. Constant (often false or distorted) press leaks by courtiers and other members of the royal family were the problem. The sad fact is that members of the royal family have a strategy for dealing with bad press: release something about another member to take the heat off and change the subject. This was covered extensively in the Netflix series as well as in Spare, and also has been covered in the press both before and after recent events. Harry was weary of having things that had been shared with a family member in confidence leaked to the press against his wishes or without his knowledge. His own father threw him under the bus more than once to make himself look better, and when Harry tried to talk to him about problems with the royal family and media coverage, his response was, "Darling boy, you can’t take on the media. The media will always be the media." Horrendous.

This is what he's talking about when he says his father and brother are trapped. He's sympathetic, but refuses to stay in the messy royal/tabloid relationship with them. He is unwilling to allow what happened to his mother happen to his wife, and I admire him for that.

https://archive.ph/ZxmEu (NYT)

It was all transactional. Sandy Henney, a former press secretary, said of Charles: “When I joined his office in ’93 he was going through some pretty virulent criticism — ‘Bad father, unloving husband.’ I think he was pretty hurt.” She said Bolland worked to change Charles’s image. Leaking to the media was reportedly one way to curry favor. “Brilliant manipulator,” Henney said of Bolland. “He got the result that he wanted.” (Bolland denied these accusations.)

Bolland was also accused of approving a News of the World article claiming a 16-year-old Harry had taken drugs, in exchange for praise for Charles for taking Harry to a rehab center, illustrated with what the tabloid said were photos of the visit. Harry writes that the seven-page tabloid spread left him sickened and horrified, and that the photos were from an earlier official visit he had made to the center. Bolland later admitted the sequence of events was distorted to make Charles look better. The coverage, after Diana’s death, spun the portrayal of Charles. “No more the unfaithful husband,” as Harry puts it in his memoir. “Pa would now be presented to the world as the harried single dad.”


Harry, as the spare, was not as important as "the principals" and therefore was a convenient punching bag when need arose. The above is just one example of the willingness for the Firm to deal in outright lies to get the desired results. One benefit of leaving was not just getting away from the British press, but getting away from the royal PR offices. It wasn't privacy (as in disappearing from public life) so much as wresting access and control of private information away from courtiers and other royal family members, and therefore also the British tabloids.

After their mother's death, Harry and William had promised one another they would never behave this way toward one another, would never kowtow to the press. When the Firm (in this case, William) was willing to put Harry's name to a press release he had never seen until it was published, that was the last straw.

https://archive.ph/48cL8 (Vogue)

According to Meghan and Harry, when the fraying thread between the Sussexes and the Firm was finally severed, it wasn’t just over the media, but his family’s inability to defend the couple from it. On the day of the so-called “Sandringham Summit,” the contentious January 2020 meeting in which Prince Harry convened with the queen, Prince Charles, and Prince William to hammer out an exit plan, The Times in London published a story saying that the princes “fell out” because Prince William was unfriendly to Meghan. The Palace swiftly released a joint statement from Prince William and Prince Harry—which Harry says he never actually signed off on—emphatically denying the story.

“I rang M and she burst into floods of tears,” Harry says somberly, “because within four hours, they were happy to lie to protect my brother, and yet for three years, they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us.” (The “lie” he’s referring to, one can presume, is the inclusion of Harry’s name on a statement he didn’t know about, and not Prince William’s reported bullying.)


"Never complain, never explain" was the mantra of Queen Elizabeth, but this was not always followed. There have been occasional exceptions to defend Kate, to defend William, to defend Charles. Even when Harry begged for it, when it had gotten so bad that Meghan was getting death threats, there was no defense for her.

Harry and Meghan left because there was no way to have a healthy relationship, to raise their children in a safe and healthy environment, and for Meghan herself to remain safe and healthy if they stayed. Nowhere did they ever say that they wanted privacy completely away from any involvement with the public or the media in general. They wanted to get away from the royal pipeline to British media and they wanted to stop being used as convenient conversation changers for the other royals.

As mentioned in the press statement in my above post, the "privacy" meme was all about shutting them up. It didn't work, nor should it. They are free to be themselves as privately or publicly as they choose. For those who are tired of hearing about them: ignore them.

Also, they've known about the eviction for weeks. They were informed 24 hours after Spare dropped. They didn't say a word about it. The timing is obvious - it was a punishment. It's one of the few punishments Charles has left and it didn't work. The timing for the public to find out about it is also obvious. How embarrassing for Charles that none of the invited musical guests want to perform at his coronation. Subject change! 🙄

After reading Spare, I'd stopped paying any attention myself. If it hadn't been for this story, I wouldn't have known about Charles and his coronation woes, boo hoo, so in my case that kinda backfired on him. Oops.
No way to guess if it's true or not. Demobrat Mar 2023 #1
Since they do not allow them security even if they pay for their own. I just can't see a grandparent Peacetrain Mar 2023 #5
Charles wants a fancy Coronation and Performers are turning him down. ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2023 #2
no kidding.. whew this is a mess if true.. so I am holding out not true Peacetrain Mar 2023 #7
I commented a year or more ago sdfernando Mar 2023 #20
Right, it was rumored that William had an affair. brush Mar 2023 #34
.... CatWoman Mar 2023 #114
Why should they keep it? pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #3
I agree with you. Raven123 Mar 2023 #6
So they cannot have security.. the one place that was secure for them was Frogmore Peacetrain Mar 2023 #9
I am no Andrew fan pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #30
It's a 5- bedroom house they've been paying rent on mainer Mar 2023 #37
The point is the Queen made a gift. How can Charles reneg on that? pnwmom Mar 2023 #88
Because highborn Englishmen enjoy a spot of cruelty now 'n then. Mopar151 Mar 2023 #118
True, if legally deeded to someone treestar Mar 2023 #154
From what I understand now, there probably wasn't a legal deed. But it was a very cheesy thing pnwmom Mar 2023 #156
Yes looks very bad treestar Mar 2023 #160
Well, he's the same guy who was messing around with Camilla from the first months of his marriage pnwmom Mar 2023 #161
Sleeping with one 17 year old does not make one a 'pedophile' Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #55
He knew Epstein was a pimp of a girl whose age he didn't check. Is that better? nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #89
I'd probably accept that critique, based on what we know or could logically presume Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #102
I wasn't the person who called him a pedophile. But he is a disgusting creep. nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #103
I'm fine with disgusting creep, but pedophile seems harsh based on what we know Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #104
+1 pandr32 Mar 2023 #13
Because they own it obamanut2012 Mar 2023 #14
They don't own it pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #54
Then why was it described as a "gift" from the Queen? pnwmom Mar 2023 #90
Because people are dishonest...just like "they paid back the refurbishment" Baltimike Mar 2023 #123
Where is your evidence that they didn't pay it back? nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #124
Where is your evidence they did? Baltimike Mar 2023 #135
It was reported in 2020 by the BBC and the NYT, among others, and was not contradicted by The Firm, pnwmom Mar 2023 #138
That's according to HARRY'S spokesperson, and we have SEEN how the duo LIES Baltimike Mar 2023 #143
You missed the verb tense: "had pledged." pnwmom Mar 2023 #144
Harry would lie about that in the same vein that they said the place was a gift Baltimike Mar 2023 #158
The Palace announced the cottage was a gift from the Queen. That wasn't a lie on Harry's part. pnwmom Mar 2023 #159
Exactly. The palace announced a GIFT that WASN'T one. Baltimike Mar 2023 #162
So you seriously believe that pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #127
Well if Harry didn't own it, and the Crown Estate still did, pnwmom Mar 2023 #145
surely done with the understanding treestar Mar 2023 #155
Wasn't it a wedding gift from the Queen herself? brush Mar 2023 #157
They don't own it. It is on a year to year lease. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #81
Correct pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #128
I see your point. If I were British, though, I'd be pissed it was going to the sex offender. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #18
I do not believe H/M pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #32
It was granted to them by the Queen mainer Mar 2023 #21
Agreed. crickets Mar 2023 #50
I don't find either of those actions petty pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #53
Did you pay your mom 3 million dollars in reno, plus rent? mainer Mar 2023 #58
They haven't paid the refurbishment back...they were paying installments Baltimike Mar 2023 #62
You're repeating disinformation. They paid it back mainer Mar 2023 #72
True, but not many parents all over the world crickets Mar 2023 #71
She will also be known as Queen Camilla now, not Queen Consort. She's a nasty piece of work. gldstwmn Mar 2023 #96
But your mother is your mother. What Camilla did was a very thoughtless thing to do pnwmom Mar 2023 #120
Shouldn't Harry and Meghan be compensated for their.... brush Mar 2023 #36
Why? pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #51
So the racism Meghan was subjected to, and the reason for their... brush Mar 2023 #57
Prince Harry has stated unequivically that the RF is not racist. nt Baltimike Mar 2023 #65
Some of the Brit press certainly has been. You have to be aware of that. brush Mar 2023 #73
Princess Michael of Kent, who wore the racist broach, Baltimike Mar 2023 #77
Pls explain what you're talking about. Everyone hasn't read... brush Mar 2023 #85
Here's an article that came out at the time: crickets Mar 2023 #105
I knew about the brooch and the intent of the minor royal. brush Mar 2023 #106
Yikes! I'm so sorry. crickets Mar 2023 #109
Please explain why post #105 didn't suffice Baltimike Mar 2023 #121
See 106. brush Mar 2023 #125
I did...and even responded to it. Baltimike Mar 2023 #136
No, he hasn't. He said that certain named individuals were not racist. pnwmom Mar 2023 #97
Yes, he has. Period. Baltimike Mar 2023 #122
I don't dislike Harry and Meghan Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #151
+1 Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #80
If it was a gift to them, they owned it. If they invested over $2million into rehabbing it pnwmom Mar 2023 #87
yes Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #150
What of the several mansions the monarch has? treestar Mar 2023 #153
I don't doubt it. MontanaMama Mar 2023 #4
MontanaMama, I truly believe this has to be a tabloid hoax Peacetrain Mar 2023 #10
I hope that its a hoax but MontanaMama Mar 2023 #39
I guess it isn't.. Meghan is an American, her kids are Americans.. its time to put their Peacetrain Mar 2023 #41
The Palace has already made it clear that the safety of Prince Harry and his family is of no concern pnwmom Mar 2023 #139
Just reported in the Washington Post mainer Mar 2023 #59
I know mainer... I know.. I just wanted to believe in better angels.. Peacetrain Mar 2023 #61
How does this put them at risk? Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #152
Heehee. Charles and Camilla are getting it back in spades... brush Mar 2023 #40
Plus, Charles gave millions in trust to Camilla's kids mainer Mar 2023 #60
Not good. I hadn't heard about that. brush Mar 2023 #64
trust funds for camilla's kids mainer Mar 2023 #75
Who cares? This is gossip column stuff. tritsofme Mar 2023 #8
Amen to that. comradebillyboy Mar 2023 #11
I do, just don't read threads about it obamanut2012 Mar 2023 #15
Seems like Lounge material to me. tritsofme Mar 2023 #17
But at this point, isn't that the point of the royal family? Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #19
No, it's not just silly gossip mainer Mar 2023 #22
These people are little more than British versions of the Kardashians tritsofme Mar 2023 #23
Have you read SPARE? mainer Mar 2023 #24
I couldn't possibly waste my time on such drivel. tritsofme Mar 2023 #26
Well, there you go mainer Mar 2023 #29
No, like the Kardashians and other gossip column material tritsofme Mar 2023 #33
What reality show are they on? Go ahead. I'll wait. gldstwmn Mar 2023 #99
These are actual people. Sure they were born rich, (except for Megan) but that does not Maraya1969 Mar 2023 #35
And yet here you are right in the middle of it with the rest of us. gldstwmn Mar 2023 #98
And the Royal Family is the British version of Disneyland, pnwmom Mar 2023 #147
Huh? "Meghan Markle needed to be smeared.? brush Mar 2023 #42
Read SPARE. The palace leaks dirt whenever one of their own is vulnerable mainer Mar 2023 #63
Ok. I see. From the flat statement that Meghan needed to be... brush Mar 2023 #67
Spare was shocking to me. MontanaMama Mar 2023 #82
In effect, Harry was protecting his wife, as he should've. brush Mar 2023 #110
There is no hate more consuming than envy. Mopar151 Mar 2023 #119
The royal family is more dysfunctional than Charles Manson's family Ray Bruns Mar 2023 #12
Seriously? pandr32 Mar 2023 #16
Okaaaay Kaleva Mar 2023 #28
I'm no fan of the royals either but come on MustLoveBeagles Mar 2023 #38
That's a horrible thing to say. Cha Mar 2023 #52
No joke. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2023 #25
Ahh sweet Jesus... Peacetrain Mar 2023 #31
Wow MustLoveBeagles Mar 2023 #45
Andrew has his own home, Sunnyville or something Boomerproud Mar 2023 #70
If I had to guess, I would say they are trying to kick him out of that one and downsize him into gldstwmn Mar 2023 #100
Yes, I believe phylny Mar 2023 #107
The article said Andrew was being moved into pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #129
Are they still on their " We demand privacy!" tour? Kaleva Mar 2023 #27
how can we miss them if they won't go away.... nt msongs Mar 2023 #46
There never was one. crickets Mar 2023 #47
bravo bigtree Mar 2023 #68
Harry told Oprah that getting away from the media was a big part of their decision SYFROYH Mar 2023 #142
No, the video does not lie. crickets Mar 2023 #146
You mean their "we're setting the record straight after years of being smeared with pnwmom Mar 2023 #91
I'm not going to give a shit about upper class people Kaleva Mar 2023 #130
I admire Harry so much claudette Mar 2023 #43
I lean that way also Demobrat Mar 2023 #49
Exactly claudette Mar 2023 #69
I'm very impressed that he chose his wife over the Ilsa Mar 2023 #83
Or being specifically targeted by the Taliban. Demobrat Mar 2023 #101
He's got the internet nickname of #CharlestheCruel. irisblue Mar 2023 #44
They never owned the property. kskiska Mar 2023 #48
I agree pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #56
The Firm should pay Harry back the money he spent rehabbing the run down building. nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #92
For as much as Harry and Meghan hate the Royals... I doubt they'd ever return to it anyways. WarGamer Mar 2023 #66
Like it or not canetoad Mar 2023 #74
Andrew is not a working royal mainer Mar 2023 #76
That would exclude Andrew then. He's still in disgrace. nt pnwmom Mar 2023 #94
I think they will all be ok Meowmee Mar 2023 #78
Time for Harry to publish those 400 pages he left out of SPARE mainer Mar 2023 #79
Consequences Sympthsical Mar 2023 #84
I agree totally ripcord Mar 2023 #86
If your family, through your "Firm," spent years smearing you through the tabloids, pnwmom Mar 2023 #95
✔️ That was precisely their point. crickets Mar 2023 #108
I rehabbed my apartment when I lived in it Sympthsical Mar 2023 #131
I'll never understand the defense of the whole Royal Family's vast entitlement, pnwmom Mar 2023 #132
Thank you. kskiska Mar 2023 #134
I hope they are compensated for the money they put into it. gldstwmn Mar 2023 #93
It was refurbished at taxpayer expense. kskiska Mar 2023 #111
Yes, and now they should reimburse Harry for the money he spent on renovations, pnwmom Mar 2023 #112
Exactly. Why is this so hard for people to understand? gldstwmn Mar 2023 #116
That doesn't sound like taxpayer expense. Nt lostnfound Mar 2023 #126
Here's a very recent article from BBC.... Talitha Mar 2023 #113
heh. Andrew doesn't even WANT the cottage lol Takket Mar 2023 #115
The King sends a message. LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #117
James O'Brien imagines right-wing headlines in an alternate reality Ptah Mar 2023 #133
Meanwhile look at Will and Kate's "Many, many houses" mainer Mar 2023 #137
Look on the bright side, they can make another documentary and write a book about it. SYFROYH Mar 2023 #140
What kind of wedding present takes $2.9 M to refurbish? milestogo Mar 2023 #141
A two hundred year old house in poor condition, with saggy floor joints, ceiling beams, pnwmom Mar 2023 #148
The cottage belongs to the crown Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #149
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