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Hamlette

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63. what a fascinating segment

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:10 PM

Nov 2012

to see Joe admit that Fox news and Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove are screwing the GOP out of existence.

It's an argument that is closer to the truth than the one I thought they would have "Romney was a flawed candidate".

Ok, yes, they did not do the deep soul searching about class and income in America but they came closer that I have seen them in years. When Frum said the bit about $1 trillion in welfare he was spot on. If you base believes welfare costs $1 trillion they are not going to be receptive to an argument about health care or immigration but those people are already sucking up $1 trillion a year. It gets at the question of poverty/middle class/income without hitting it head on.

Joe is still willing to blame "the others" in the media instead of recognizing his role in the same thing.

BTW, watch UP this morning, more great discussion about race and the election and what will become of the GOP.

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None of panelists on Scarborough-not Joe-not David Gregory-not Chuck Todd, none dared to answer... [View all] kpete Nov 2012 OP

Of course not. nt silvershadow Nov 2012 #1

Yes, and they will continue to blithely ignore it. That's how they enough Nov 2012 #2

+1. eom 99 Percent Sure Nov 2012 #22

Home Truths, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2012 #3

David Frum is the only conservative worth listening to. He may not always be right spooky3 Nov 2012 #4

He easily quadrupled the collective IQ of the group by his participation. reusrename Nov 2012 #20

Yes, that was amazingly insightful. I hadn't thought of it in those ways exactly... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #33

It has to be the best two minute expose on the subject. reusrename Nov 2012 #59

That's a fantastic video. Thanks for posting it. n/t cui bono Nov 2012 #82

A helluva video. I've got to check dis Louis Ludwig guy out. Thanks for the post. ancianita Nov 2012 #114

That's an extraordinary video. Thanks. eom truth2power Nov 2012 #139

Frum is the kind of Republican to fear... Moostache Nov 2012 #35

I fear the crazies more than the sane ones. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #60

This, I agree with. A smart Republican (like Frum, like Steve Schmidt) Volaris Nov 2012 #122

Schmidt, Frum and a few others seem to be hifiguy Nov 2012 #163

Wow, Volaris! Rainngirl Nov 2012 #168

He's still a neocon. That's why he endorsed Romney. MissMarple Nov 2012 #170

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #45

Frum and Susan Del Percio are the only republicans I can stand to listen to. IL Lib Nov 2012 #75

Agreed. I like Susan. And I'm warming up to Frum. eom ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #169

wow! proud he's a fellow Lymie :=) n/t laruemtt Nov 2012 #145

They're still surprised that the majority of Americans voted in TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #5

Because they live a life of illusion. jonthebru Nov 2012 #39

very well said..."live a life of illusion" nt Stuart G Nov 2012 #138

Same Old GOP Double-Standard GatorLarry Nov 2012 #154

yes, he called them out, those still living in that bubble newspeak Nov 2012 #162

pleased to see some conservatives bucking the lemming parade ibegurpard Nov 2012 #6

I don't want that.... femrap Nov 2012 #26

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #46

Scarborogh reiterated: "Conservatives have been lied to." The Blue Flower Nov 2012 #7

The Oligarchs have pulled the wool over the eyes of the conservatives. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #38

perfect ? kpete Nov 2012 #41

Found on the net (I use it quite a bit in the message board wars) - "Hey tea party fanatics, google progree Nov 2012 #58

Dopey ceeRoy Nov 2012 #128

buh bye Gabi Hayes Nov 2012 #131

?? "buh bye" ?? - I think he was agreeing with my characterization of tea party fanatics, not progree Nov 2012 #149

yeah....now I look dopey forever. not unusual, that Gabi Hayes Nov 2012 #153

We told them, for years, that they're being lied to MNBrewer Nov 2012 #61

That's becasue Rush and Crew told them to. THAT'S Frum's point. Volaris Nov 2012 #123

Hilarious to watch Dead Intern sit there and pretend he wasn't beac Nov 2012 #88

The Asshole Is Dumb As A Bag Of Cat Shit HangOnKids Nov 2012 #93

My cats resent that They know their shit is smarter catbyte Nov 2012 #95

...heh heh heh ... progressoid Nov 2012 #160

ROFLMAO catbyte Nov 2012 #161

!!! hifiguy Nov 2012 #164

It would be AWESOME to find out he is one of Frum's "Named Names", Volaris Nov 2012 #125

That is unbelievable that Joe Scarborough, Chuch Todd, and avebury Nov 2012 #111

The utter disconnect is mind-boggling. Ineeda Nov 2012 #133

Frum's analysis is right on BainsBane Nov 2012 #8

My cousin's husband was still like that on Election night Stagecoach Nov 2012 #54

"conservative entertainment media complex" Volaris Nov 2012 #124

How about COMIC? Doc Holliday Nov 2012 #135

I am fully in support of your improvement suggestion. How do we schedule a committee meeting, Volaris Nov 2012 #142

sing it, David Whisp Nov 2012 #9

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #48

Full of BS, comical "conservative entertainment complex" who call themselves "news" AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2012 #10

I couldn't believe what I was hearing.. butterfly77 Nov 2012 #11

"Those who seem to despise half of Amer�ica will never be trusted to govern any of it. bloomington-lib Nov 2012 #12

But he doesn't get to take the next step TomClash Nov 2012 #13

Everybody talking on TV is wearing a suit that costs more than two week's pay for the viewers... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #14

Yep, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Levins, Coulters, Ingrahams, O'Reillys, and their ilk rateyes Nov 2012 #15

These people femrap Nov 2012 #28

Murdoch is not going to change... sendero Nov 2012 #156

He should femrap Nov 2012 #157

I thought that through the oughts, but they're just as relevant as ever. valerief Nov 2012 #51

"....because half the country contribute nothing to the national endeavor." Skidmore Nov 2012 #16

Re-read FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #21

Of Course They Ignored It Bigredhunk Nov 2012 #17

I especially despise Chuck Toad. The slimy bastard is despicable. olegramps Nov 2012 #144

"Conservative entertainment complex": Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #18

yep heaven05 Nov 2012 #19

I believe it's math that explains the influence the Conservation Entertainment Complex AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2012 #23

Why did he lose? PD Turk Nov 2012 #24

yeah I thought that segment was remarkable as well Enrique Nov 2012 #25

11:33 - "I won't soon forget the lupine smile" reflection Nov 2012 #27

It's very easy to exploit that type of thinking - which is what the CEC (Conservative Entertainment AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2012 #30

Evil and vile cynicism emulatorloo Nov 2012 #31

I recall that's what Herbert Hoover thought burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #44

To Joe's credit he did have David Frum repeat that last paragraph on how the Republican Party Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #29

But only after Halperin took over as discussion moderator and asked Frum to elaborate. speedoo Nov 2012 #73

K and R...nt... Stuart G Nov 2012 #32

I would have missed this exchange had you not posted it reflection Nov 2012 #34

"The Leaders Have No Space To Operate" DallasNE Nov 2012 #36

Bookmarking as no time to watch now AllyCat Nov 2012 #37

Tired of Overpaid Cable/Radio Pundits telling us what to think and believe LovingA2andMI Nov 2012 #40

Rove and Frum as Bialystock and Bloom- stlsaxman Nov 2012 #42

He spoke of the silenced. burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #43

Yep THIS ^^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Nov 2012 #50

Didn't realize he was Canadian eridani Nov 2012 #117

I've never heard any conservative talk about poor people and the middle class like that before liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #118

I hope none of them wake up to Frum. Jennicut Nov 2012 #47

The core value of the Republican Party is to make oodles of money for the 1%. Nothing else matters. valerief Nov 2012 #49

If America has caught on to this, it's Obama's crowning achievement. harun Nov 2012 #108

Hell of a segment.... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #52

Thank you kpete or posting this... Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #53

I don't understand how they think they can get the Latino vote and their base in the same tent.... Walk away Nov 2012 #64

I think the only way Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #66

They tried using gay rights to split the African American vote away from the Democrats MNBrewer Nov 2012 #71

How could it? Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #78

They won't do it, that's their christian fundamentalist base. It's too large a voting block. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #80

I agree...though Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #81

No...no...no... DirtyDawg Nov 2012 #55

This John2 Nov 2012 #56

Good For Frum colsohlibgal Nov 2012 #57

Frum is going to be on Real Time with Bill Maher next Friday. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #62

ugh; I don't like Maher's format anymore... last night was just almost Flaxbee Nov 2012 #76

what a fascinating segment Hamlette Nov 2012 #63

"The people who made him wear cement shoes are blaming him for sinking" Dorn Nov 2012 #65

because of their tribalism? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #150

David Gregory is such a tool LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #67

RW rado is the main problem here. LIMBAUGH! is the name they dare not speak and that they can't certainot Nov 2012 #68

Their propaganda machine is biting them in the butt - the greedy pigs nt AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2012 #70

very simple; Romney is a cipher creon Nov 2012 #69

He gave the 1% a promise of mo' money. He took everyone else to go shit in valerief Nov 2012 #151

yes creon Nov 2012 #152

David Frum - rare Republican truth-teller cilla4progress Nov 2012 #72

David Brooks says similar things, which is also why he is derided as a "moderate"... TomCADem Nov 2012 #101

Frum concerns me for the following: Tutonic Nov 2012 #74

I found that curious as well. How, after all he said, could he think Romney would make a good pres? cui bono Nov 2012 #83

That's the thing, Frum thinks the Republicans have deviated from a more ideal course... JHB Nov 2012 #136

Poignant ! canichelouis Nov 2012 #77

so many good points on this clip southmost Nov 2012 #79

K&R DeSwiss Nov 2012 #84

If anyone thinks that the GOP will magically transform itself they are delusional. olegramps Nov 2012 #147

Did Chuck Todd break his mirror? cui bono Nov 2012 #85

I know it is petty PatSeg Nov 2012 #96

I agree. But this time it really looked completely crooked, cui bono Nov 2012 #98

Guess it was worse than usual PatSeg Nov 2012 #107

I saw this and was amazed Slit Skirt Nov 2012 #86

Two thoughts deutsey Nov 2012 #87

f.u.c.k.i.n.g.a. spanone Nov 2012 #89

I saw this PatSeg Nov 2012 #90

Priceless. MissMarple Nov 2012 #91

That maybe the first shot in the Republican civil war davidpdx Nov 2012 #92

Keep in mind that this is not a retrospective dump from Frum. ballaratocker Nov 2012 #94

Yep-- they thoroughly ignored his point about the majority being disregarded. Marr Nov 2012 #97

Gore and Clinton were right. The corporate media is the BIGGEST threat to our democracy. nt progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #99

Kick and Rec. That is just wonderful. Hekate Nov 2012 #100

I knew there had to be AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #102

Andrea "Greenspan" Michell MissNostalgia Nov 2012 #103

She is pathetic. FlaGranny Nov 2012 #134

"Conservative entertainment complex" shcrane71 Nov 2012 #104

Hey.... remember this? Oct 2008? AlbertCat Nov 2012 #105

Holy Shit Balls, someone on the CORPORATE media told the truth. Bravo FRUM harun Nov 2012 #106

I Want The Repugs To Remain Clueless and Crazy ! YOHABLO Nov 2012 #109

I don't SpartanDem Nov 2012 #115

! saving BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #110

An AWESOME 5 minutes of Truth whathehell Nov 2012 #112

Paul Ryan's job was to sell our lives. Shameful! He is ruined in politics. Thanks! for spanking him patrice Nov 2012 #113

Looks like they want to 'turn' on the millionnaires at FUX... Amonester Nov 2012 #116

Frum's indictment is powerful. It is beyond me why he endorsed Romney. Faryn Balyncd Nov 2012 #119

Bookmarked! Needs to be brought up again by Social Media..again and again.. Cha Nov 2012 #120

Also that one: "do we spend a trillion dollars on welfare?" Amonester Nov 2012 #121

"Dared to answer?" What does that mean, or suggest? elleng Nov 2012 #126

wow, that was stunning. krkaufman Nov 2012 #127

Lindsey Graham The Wizard Nov 2012 #129

Fleeced, exploited & lied to by the conservative entertainment industry. Historic NY Nov 2012 #130

That struck me as well libodem Nov 2012 #140

All Too Rare Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #132

As if you're not part of the problem, Scar! Jester Messiah Nov 2012 #137

david gregory can always find a bright light for republicans, even in the darkest night spanone Nov 2012 #141

Frum: "Mitt Romney could have been a really good president". I really don't understand truth2power Nov 2012 #143

Conservative entertainment complex AllyCat Nov 2012 #146

AS I've been pointing out here, and over at the Orange Site: Iggy Nov 2012 #148

W understood NOTHING! BOTH elections were STOLEN for him! benld74 Nov 2012 #155

Conservatives have been lied to. That was the basic premise over the Gravis affair. grantcart Nov 2012 #158

Day-um! Now that's good shit! longship Nov 2012 #159

I pretty much hate all these people. jonthebru Nov 2012 #165

does this mean they will finally kick Rush and FOX news to the curb? liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #166

The question is, why is the activist/donor base so fricken gullible that they can be so easily spicegal Nov 2012 #167