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In reply to the discussion: None of panelists on Scarborough-not Joe-not David Gregory-not Chuck Todd, none dared to answer... [View all]It's the GOP's Waterloo
by David Frum, formerly at AEI
Posted Mar 21, 2010
Excerpt:
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother?
Overheated talk mobilizes supporters but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government.
When Rush said that he wanted Obama to fail, what he omitted to say is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office Rushs listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
Obamacare is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, its mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, its Waterloo all right: Ours.
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002619/
by David Frum, formerly at AEI
Posted Mar 21, 2010
Excerpt:
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother?
Overheated talk mobilizes supporters but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government.
When Rush said that he wanted Obama to fail, what he omitted to say is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office Rushs listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
Obamacare is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, its mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, its Waterloo all right: Ours.
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002619/
March 25, 2010, 5:21 pm
David Frum, AEI, Heritage And Health Care
David Frum* has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute; one has to assume that this is a response to his outspokenness about the Republican failure on health reform.
In discussing the Frum firing, Bruce Bartlett asserts that AEI has muzzled its health-care experts, because the truth is that they agree with a lot of what Obama is proposing. I find this quite believable; back in 2003 Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation, which is supposedly harder-right than AEI, proposed a health care reform consisting of drumroll an individual mandate coupled with subsidies to make insurance affordable. In short, Obamacare.
I was struck, by the way, by Butlers recommendation that we:
''Provide support to people to obtain health care based on their need, not where they happen to work, or their eligibility for welfare, or their military record, or their age.''
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? http://tinyurl.com/wvrqw
*Im informed, by family members, that Frum is a distant cousin of yours truly.
~ Paul Krugman http://tinyurl.com/yed2ga3
David Frum, AEI, Heritage And Health Care
David Frum* has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute; one has to assume that this is a response to his outspokenness about the Republican failure on health reform.
In discussing the Frum firing, Bruce Bartlett asserts that AEI has muzzled its health-care experts, because the truth is that they agree with a lot of what Obama is proposing. I find this quite believable; back in 2003 Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation, which is supposedly harder-right than AEI, proposed a health care reform consisting of drumroll an individual mandate coupled with subsidies to make insurance affordable. In short, Obamacare.
I was struck, by the way, by Butlers recommendation that we:
''Provide support to people to obtain health care based on their need, not where they happen to work, or their eligibility for welfare, or their military record, or their age.''
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? http://tinyurl.com/wvrqw
*Im informed, by family members, that Frum is a distant cousin of yours truly.
~ Paul Krugman http://tinyurl.com/yed2ga3
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None of panelists on Scarborough-not Joe-not David Gregory-not Chuck Todd, none dared to answer... [View all]
kpete
Nov 2012
OP
David Frum is the only conservative worth listening to. He may not always be right
spooky3
Nov 2012
#4
Yes, that was amazingly insightful. I hadn't thought of it in those ways exactly...
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#33
A helluva video. I've got to check dis Louis Ludwig guy out. Thanks for the post.
ancianita
Nov 2012
#114
Found on the net (I use it quite a bit in the message board wars) - "Hey tea party fanatics, google
progree
Nov 2012
#58
?? "buh bye" ?? - I think he was agreeing with my characterization of tea party fanatics, not
progree
Nov 2012
#149
I am fully in support of your improvement suggestion. How do we schedule a committee meeting,
Volaris
Nov 2012
#142
Full of BS, comical "conservative entertainment complex" who call themselves "news"
AnotherMother4Peace
Nov 2012
#10
"Those who seem to despise half of America will never be trusted to govern any of it.
bloomington-lib
Nov 2012
#12
Everybody talking on TV is wearing a suit that costs more than two week's pay for the viewers...
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2012
#14
Yep, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Levins, Coulters, Ingrahams, O'Reillys, and their ilk
rateyes
Nov 2012
#15
I believe it's math that explains the influence the Conservation Entertainment Complex
AnotherMother4Peace
Nov 2012
#23
It's very easy to exploit that type of thinking - which is what the CEC (Conservative Entertainment
AnotherMother4Peace
Nov 2012
#30
To Joe's credit he did have David Frum repeat that last paragraph on how the Republican Party
Uncle Joe
Nov 2012
#29
But only after Halperin took over as discussion moderator and asked Frum to elaborate.
speedoo
Nov 2012
#73
Tired of Overpaid Cable/Radio Pundits telling us what to think and believe
LovingA2andMI
Nov 2012
#40
I've never heard any conservative talk about poor people and the middle class like that before
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2012
#118
The core value of the Republican Party is to make oodles of money for the 1%. Nothing else matters.
valerief
Nov 2012
#49
I don't understand how they think they can get the Latino vote and their base in the same tent....
Walk away
Nov 2012
#64
They tried using gay rights to split the African American vote away from the Democrats
MNBrewer
Nov 2012
#71
They won't do it, that's their christian fundamentalist base. It's too large a voting block.
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2012
#80
RW rado is the main problem here. LIMBAUGH! is the name they dare not speak and that they can't
certainot
Nov 2012
#68
Their propaganda machine is biting them in the butt - the greedy pigs nt
AnotherMother4Peace
Nov 2012
#70
David Brooks says similar things, which is also why he is derided as a "moderate"...
TomCADem
Nov 2012
#101
I found that curious as well. How, after all he said, could he think Romney would make a good pres?
cui bono
Nov 2012
#83
That's the thing, Frum thinks the Republicans have deviated from a more ideal course...
JHB
Nov 2012
#136
If anyone thinks that the GOP will magically transform itself they are delusional.
olegramps
Nov 2012
#147
Gore and Clinton were right. The corporate media is the BIGGEST threat to our democracy. nt
progressivebydesign
Nov 2012
#99
Paul Ryan's job was to sell our lives. Shameful! He is ruined in politics. Thanks! for spanking him
patrice
Nov 2012
#113
david gregory can always find a bright light for republicans, even in the darkest night
spanone
Nov 2012
#141
Frum: "Mitt Romney could have been a really good president". I really don't understand
truth2power
Nov 2012
#143
Conservatives have been lied to. That was the basic premise over the Gravis affair.
grantcart
Nov 2012
#158