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Hortensis

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48. Yes, and love us some founders. :)

Tue May 16, 2023, 02:17 PM

May 2023

As President Lincoln described it, government of the people, by the people, and for the people. And we like it serving us.

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Can the progressive viewpoint coexist with the teachings of Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman... [View all] Progressive Lawyer May 2023 OP

No. 2naSalit May 2023 #1

Oh a Hoover Institute fellow and his mentor? MutantAndProud May 2023 #2

On the theory that a well intentioned system, such as welfare in the US, can havedevastating effects Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #3

Yes edhopper May 2023 #4

So the veracity of a theory is entirely dependent upon which group(s) adopts that theory? Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #7

It has nothing to do with theory, but... MutantAndProud May 2023 #11

I do not disagree, but my understanding of Friedman's theory is that the current welfare system has Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #13

That's not reducing their will to succeed jmbar2 May 2023 #16

That's what Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman have done...knock the system... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #18

How they knock it is critical MutantAndProud May 2023 #20

That theory... MutantAndProud May 2023 #17

When I referenced "benefits", I meant things like food stamps, cash aid, Section 8 housing... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #21

In many cases these benefits are made scarce MutantAndProud May 2023 #23

Perhaps there are several systems trapping people...the welfare system being just one of many. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #24

I don't know if you can isolate it, I would continue to say MutantAndProud May 2023 #27

Milton Friedman proposed a "negative income tax", or in other words a guaranteed minimum income.. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #29

That is one aspect MutantAndProud May 2023 #31

Welfare systems have been under attack by the right since FDR jmbar2 May 2023 #28

Does the minimum guaranteed income not address the issue for those that are unable to work? Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #30

Aka UBI (universal basic income) MutantAndProud May 2023 #32

Perhaps the issue is the definition of welfare... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #34

Welfare is an expansive concept MutantAndProud May 2023 #36

GFC model MutantAndProud May 2023 #37

The U stands for "Universal"... brooklynite May 2023 #44

Well the guaranteed income model that Stockton Ca implemented limits it to poor neighborhoods. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #45

It which case its not "universal"...its a different version of welfare. brooklynite May 2023 #50

I never said guaranteed minimum income was "universal'" Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #54

Who cares if Bill Gates gets a share, too? haele May 2023 #49

I don't understand what you mean by "coexist"... brooklynite May 2023 #5

Perhaps "accept" is the more appropriate word. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #8

Of course progressives won't accept the position of RW economists, and VV brooklynite May 2023 #9

Any position? My understanding is that Thomas Sowell is an ardent 1st Amendment supporter... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #10

Those are not two positions you can equivocate MutantAndProud May 2023 #12

I was questioning the acceptance of the teachings of Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman in regards... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #15

Understood, see post #17 MutantAndProud May 2023 #19

Ever read his newspaper column? Mopar151 May 2023 #14

That ship sailed quite some time ago Sympthsical May 2023 #39

Absolutely not ismnotwasm May 2023 #6

People Believe To Some Purpose, Sir The Magistrate May 2023 #22

Well said. MutantAndProud May 2023 #25

Why would that be the only proper policy? Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #26

Support Of The Policy, Sir, Is The Reason For The Belief The Magistrate May 2023 #33

That still does not address whether a theory can be viable regardless of which group adopts it. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #35

No, as progressives have generally heard of Herbert Hoover.. Mopar151 May 2023 #38

Milton Friedman proposes a guaranteed minimum income. Seems like you agree with him on that point. Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #42

I .was going on the installed versions configuration. Mopar151 May 2023 #46

So you would endorse Friedman's position in regards to the guaranteed minimum income? Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #55

In Reply To Your No. 35, Sir The Magistrate May 2023 #40

"The idea that assistance from a 'welfare state' harms rather than helps its recipients..." Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #41

Such Crawfishing Does Not Become You, Sir The Magistrate May 2023 #52

That is inaccurate. I specifically limited the their teachings on the "welfare state".... Progressive Lawyer May 2023 #53

Enjoy Yourself, Sir The Magistrate May 2023 #57

Well said, and on point! Mopar151 May 2023 #58

"The" progressive viewpoint? :) "Progressive" is like "snowflake" -- Hortensis May 2023 #43

And we love us some FDR! nt Mopar151 May 2023 #47

Yes, and love us some founders. :) Hortensis May 2023 #48

The only reason Milton Friedman's theory took off... Xolodno May 2023 #51

No malaise May 2023 #56

You only have to lookat countries edhopper May 2023 #59