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In reply to the discussion: Rachel had it Right, now DU is getting it wrong. [View all]CaptJasHook
(1,308 posts)211. You're better at this than I
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strength of conservative ideas? Can you list some good conservative ideas, please?
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2012
#1
Say what you will about the Affordable Care Act. It helped the parents of the kid who drums in my
calimary
Nov 2012
#190
But better than nothing is still not good. And what about those millions for whom
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#303
No, it isn't. It does suck less, but that is not good, and you didn't answer the question. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#383
That's not what was written, and you still haven't answered the question. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#401
Both my kids (20,22) have preexisting conditions, but can be on my health ins until 26.
AAO
Nov 2012
#440
Not the topic. When Sekhmets Daughter and I started this it was in response to the idea of
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#541
Do any of you people ever actually read what is written? You're like the 5th
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#564
Don't worry, I don't alert on my own behalf. I couldn't care less what name someone calls me.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#570
Perfection cannot be achieved at all, and nobody is asking for perfection. But like the other person
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#493
The "perfection" you wish for is government sponsered single payer national health care.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#524
You're the only one talking about perfection here, and single payer will not be perfect either.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#542
It leaves millions in an even more toxic environment. One idea being not quite as bad as another
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#170
Agreed, but we cannot be blind to the real problems within the system
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#174
That's not what I said. This thread is about the asinine notion that we need blend two completely
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#274
Another bankrupt notion you are using to distract from the bad idea you wrote in the OP.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#313
Good comment ! Republicans are skilled and ruthless with messaging. Their lack of morality adds
Maineman
Nov 2012
#518
You're right to worry about the republicans taking Democratic positions away, but the answer
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#544
Oh really? Tens of millions of us are forced to live without any representation in what is
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#543
You are really negative for no apparent reason, convince us you're not a troll.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#547
You have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this us, and how do you suppose that I
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#548
The people covered by social security was increased incrementally...
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#236
What Social Security was NOT was a mandate that people buy retirement plans from Wall Street n/t
eridani
Nov 2012
#414
No, just saying that SocSec was proudly a GOVERNMENT program right from the beginning
eridani
Nov 2012
#458
Only for people that can afford it. Those of us in poverty will get Medicaid...
Comrade_McKenzie
Nov 2012
#63
I see your point, and perhaps I could have made mine more clearly....
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#429
Thats not a good idea. Its simply what we got stuck with after caving in to Repukes.
Katashi_itto
Nov 2012
#142
I think the point is that it isn't any one ideology or mix of ideologies that is good, but...
LancetChick
Nov 2012
#22
What deal is the President offering? Any deal including even a mention of SS in the same sentence
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#550
Yes, exactly. This cannot be said enough. Eg, in the debates, Romney told the biggest lie
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#554
You'd do better to defend your mistake by expecting people to support th spirit of your message, not
ancianita
Nov 2012
#530
Have you ever worked in the federal government or a large corporation?
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#263
Read the book. And enforcing actual ethical standards in the real world would be far more effective
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#296
A.) Not a conservative idea at all, rather a means to reach an egalitarian society.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#283
We can remind them of fiscally responsible Republicans like Eisenhower
RepublicansRZombies
Nov 2012
#161
Conservation is a conservative idea. Don't confuse Ts for conservatives. Ts are cons.
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2012
#169
I think the conservative emphasis on smaller government has value except that it is warped by
Voice for Peace
Nov 2012
#399
Yes, but that's not what today's cons want. They're fine with billions wasted on unnecessary defense
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#423
If you don't like labels I would suggest you edit the word "purists" out of your OP
Bjorn Against
Nov 2012
#468
"On edit: now the spell checker didn't work correctly". You got your point across. nt
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#304
Yes, and deciding whether to take too much or take it all is not compromise, it is capitulation. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#302
It doesn't matter what the devolved Republican did. Fact remains, the EPA was a Republican
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2012
#208
But didn't originate it. It was his reaction to one aspect of a movement that threatened
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#308
And I think there are some things no real Democrat would ever "compromise" on -
forestpath
Nov 2012
#8
Actually, the left can.That's also an attempt to avoid using all tools in the Left's bigger tool box
ancianita
Nov 2012
#533
Don't put words in my mouth. And don't call me a peach. Your tactics remind me of somebody.
forestpath
Nov 2012
#279
Did liberals oppose Theo Roosevelt's environmental stewardship idea at the time? Do they now?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#417
Wow. By not implementing your own OP advice, you're not helping your credibility here.
ancianita
Nov 2012
#534
You say, "I knew I shouldn't put issues up as the Devil's advocate." Is that what you were doing
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#359
"If you want to have a conservative/liberal dialogue, with conservatives such as you describe,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#377
Thanks to progressive Ida Tarbell, socialist Upton Sinclair, preservationist John Muir...
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#444
"Through clever campaigning we managed to get 332 electoral votes": "clever "? "managed to get"?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#10
Given the difficult economy and some of the people that voted for Obama the first time, a
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#323
Obama "squeaked by!" 332 is only a landslide when Money BooBoo does it, doncha know!
MADem
Nov 2012
#113
I'll support compromise when the Repubs start acting like a legitimate party again.
reformist2
Nov 2012
#12
Yes, I don't like the punitive nature of some on our side - there is such a thing as 'sore winners.'
reformist2
Nov 2012
#49
Republicans knew that even if the cooperated, getting the economy healthy in four years
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#328
How about NOT letting Republicans have a majority in the House of Representives?
randome
Nov 2012
#39
Republicans were successful in Gerrymandering because the liberal purists sat on their asses,
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#339
I see Virginia staying blue and Florida becoming reliably Blue as long as democrats govern well.
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#342
Wow, they mentioned two whole topics but without plans! Oh, and about "taxing the rich"?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#26
True, but the first step in compromise is both sides looking for some common ground.
kstewart33
Nov 2012
#146
Given the thumping they've received, I'd wager that the Repubs are looking for some common ground.
kstewart33
Nov 2012
#356
As noted by centrists Mann and Ornstein in "Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem."
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#425
I don't think they're salient to any point about "compromise." And elections DO have consequences.
MADem
Nov 2012
#480
Yeah, right. The Democrats are "obstructing" the GOP from dismantling SS, Medicare, Medicaid...
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#82
"They sound funny with your accent"? Pray tell, what does that mean? Explain, please....
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#184
You must have missed when the true GOP conservatives were hijacked by the ultra-far-right....
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#35
I rarely miss any points, and in your case, I'm reading exactly what you wrote in your OP...
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#105
They got whooped because the people you lumped into a "tea-party" esq mentally got out the vote!
MrMickeysMom
Nov 2012
#464
a serious question - The traditional conservative movement may have had some worthwhile ideas
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2012
#47
The GOP has demonstrated time and again that they refuse to negotiate or compromise
magical thyme
Nov 2012
#52
Very well stated. I think it's very important that Dems get out there and sell the hell out of
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#494
"listening and adjusting" that is your recommendation?! adjusting to what, exactly?
amborin
Nov 2012
#59
Oh, now you want MORE PROGRESSIVES, do you? Because they are MORE CONSERVATIVE?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#100
Please, tell us more about these wonderful conservative ideas you are promoting here.
Zorra
Nov 2012
#80
Deep Thoughts, from Ted Pantshitter Nugent, Money BooBoo, and "Hellfire Patsy" Robertson!
MADem
Nov 2012
#117
Well, time's up, I gotta go. That is the correct answer, btw: zip. zilch. nothing. nada.
Zorra
Nov 2012
#271
Listen, she is, but we need at LEAST a week to gloat. Lest you forget "get over it" of 2000. nt
LaydeeBug
Nov 2012
#127
I'm seriously out of the loop cause I don't recall Rachel saying this, & I can't find it on web
Melinda
Nov 2012
#130
My guess is that the OP is referencing Rachel's excellent day-after episode.
WilliamPitt
Nov 2012
#141
I hear you. I only hang out on DU during presidential elections or political events (Terry Schiavo)
Hamlette
Nov 2012
#138
i'm on rachel's side. BUT, republicans are no longer republicans or loyal.
pansypoo53219
Nov 2012
#140
But reasonable people with those conservative ideas you mention aren't running the ship.....
marmar
Nov 2012
#143
And here it is: the predictable, laughable corporate-echoing reply.
woo me with science
Nov 2012
#144
Thank you for that. I think many have lost even the ability to absorb that though.
Bonobo
Nov 2012
#413
The 1% has the money to pay hordes of persuasive corporatist propagandists to spew
Zorra
Nov 2012
#578
"lump all of my fellow Americans" -- no, but we can much more easily do that with the Repub
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#156
Glad you have the resources to choose to grow. Millions don't because of too many
jtuck004
Nov 2012
#157
Sure but let's not "compromise" before the other side has even made an offer...
jimlup
Nov 2012
#162
Oh get off it. OP is not trying to shut down discussion, but the purists try their damnedest. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2012
#175
Um, actually, we have WASTED enough time, blood and treasure trying to play nice
leeroysphitz
Nov 2012
#168
I didn't read the OP as suggesting Democrats play nice, but that they play smart
maui902
Nov 2012
#201
What are we "batshit crazy progressive purists" trying to "jam down their throats"?
pa28
Nov 2012
#171
Returning to a decentralized agrarian based culture is perhaps the only way to reverse ecological
SubgeniusHasSlack
Nov 2012
#580
I've read enough of your comments in this thread. Trashing....3...2...1....GONE!! nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#194
holding conservative values and shoving those values down people's throats
SemperEadem
Nov 2012
#209
They call themselves that, calling them by their chosen name is not derogatory
Dragonfli
Nov 2012
#406
when Han-nutty says he has changed his opinion on immigration, and Kristol on taxes, believe me
librechik
Nov 2012
#312
many of us are just DONE with trying to compromise with repugs who have to get their own way
wordpix
Nov 2012
#240
No one is putting words in your mouth. Your own words are sufficient. You said,
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#324
Sorry, I will NOT tolerate a party full of racists, homophobes, and misogynists
Hugabear
Nov 2012
#261
Well said. I am one that thinks the strongest democratic party is one that allows in an
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#277
speaking of Hegelian dialectic - if both sides are calling for cuts in people-oriented programs -
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2012
#347
"The Progressive purists took control of the boards" = in an alternative universe.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#367
Recommended. The first difficulty is to see that the problem is difficult.
WheelWalker
Nov 2012
#388
Right, let's start making deals with folks want see Obama swinging from a tree!
nonoxy9
Nov 2012
#449
I dont agree. You say, "But now I see the same old tired intransigent purists
rhett o rick
Nov 2012
#469
Fine sentiment that is not realistically applicable in present circumstances
TheKentuckian
Nov 2012
#473