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highplainsdem

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15. Larry collaborated with Jerry Pournelle for decades, and while I
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 10:16 AM
Jun 2023

don't remember Larry as being as outspokenly political as Jerry (who'd had some professional involvement in politics, including for RW LA mayor Sam Yorty), I'd always assumed he probably shared Jerry's views. Which were very much on display in their 1977 bestseller, Lucifer's Hammer:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/from-lucifers-hammer-to-newts-moon-base-to-donalds-wallthe-sci-fi-roots-of-the-far-right
Archive page at https://archive.ph/Mntxj


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In partnership with Niven, Pournelle’s science-fiction married aggressive military might with Atlas Shrugged-style techno-futurist fantasies and nativist paranoia, offering what in retrospect looks like an uncannily prescient portrait of the Trump era and its cultural overtones. Take, for example, the pair’s Hugo-nominated 1977 novel Lucifer’s Hammer, which depicts a small ranch of patriotic American farmers as they struggle to survive after a comet hits earth. Early on, the farmers debate how to keep out undesirables:

“They'll all be here, all that can get here," Christopher shouted. “Los Angeles, and the San Joaquin, and what's left of San Francisco … How long can we keep it up, lettin' those people come here?”

"Be n**gers too," someone shouted from the floor. He looked self-consciously at two black faces at the end of the room. "Okay, sorry—no. I'm not sorry. Lucius, you own land. You work it. But city n**gers, whining about equality—you don't want 'em either!"

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This kind of scene — the asterisks are mine; they spelled the word out — plays on the same fears Trump stoked in his campaign of immigrants and undesirables invading the “real” America. Yet Pournelle and Niven yoked this divisiveness to an Ayn Randian view of technological progress, in which there are those who work and those who leech.

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Much more about that novel at the links. The article also mentions the quote from Larry that's in your OP.

Jerry was born in Louisiana. I have vague memories of having once read or heard that he'd been leftwing when young and then did the political flip some people with authoritarian tendencies do, but I didn't find anything just now on Google to back that up. (Sam Yorty, whom he worked for briefly, had been a liberal Democrat when young and turned jnto a RW populist before Jerry worked for him.) I don't have any idea where Larry's political views and racism might've come from. He's from a very wealthy California family (his great-grandfather was an oil tycoon), and he sold his first science fiction story soon after graduating from college, though I don't know when he started making enough money on it that he could have supported himself as a writer...or been able to afford insurance if his family hadn't been wealthy.

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Uninsured and underinsured white folks? JT45242 Jun 2023 #1
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2023 #20
Seperate the work from the writer. PurgedVoter Jun 2023 #2
A recent disappointment John Ludi Jun 2023 #4
A lot of people lost their minds when/since Obama was elected TwilightZone Jun 2023 #5
I guess the disconcerting thing John Ludi Jun 2023 #7
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #9
Although I also enjoyed his earlier music robbob Jun 2023 #6
There was always that John Ludi Jun 2023 #8
Niven was an adviser to Reagan on the Strategic Defense Initiative, better known as "Star Wars" TwilightZone Jun 2023 #3
that guy who wrote the book with a race of non-sentient females? BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #10
Yes melm00se Jun 2023 #16
ok... i didn't read that far into the book.. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #23
I knew. ismnotwasm Jun 2023 #11
Orson Scott Card Deep State Witch Jun 2023 #14
Oops--sorry! I better correct that ismnotwasm Jun 2023 #18
Orson Scott Card... hunter Jun 2023 #19
Never liked him. Seemed too impressed with himself. eppur_se_muova Jun 2023 #12
Pournelle was no prize either. hunter Jun 2023 #13
Larry collaborated with Jerry Pournelle for decades, and while I highplainsdem Jun 2023 #15
thank you for the additional (and troubling) information Celerity Jun 2023 #17
Speaking from my own youthful experiences... hunter Jun 2023 #22
I don't know the specifics of what happened, but... Rob H. Jun 2023 #21
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