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In reply to the discussion: Rachel had it Right, now DU is getting it wrong. [View all]Democrats hanging around boards like DU didn't "not vote" or "vote Green" in protest in 2010. Fark sake, we're the most motivated and loyal political class around! To suggest that we would vote anything other than Democrat to "stick it to the man!" is downright offensive.
It was the everyday people who don't hang out on boards like DU who needed a reason to get out and vote in 2010. But the Dems gave them nothing. And they weren't "progressives" who were p*ssed that they didn't get a pony. They just saw that what was promised as "real change" in 2008 and what was delivered by 2010 meant very little in real terms to their everyday lives, and they thought "what's the point?".
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strength of conservative ideas? Can you list some good conservative ideas, please?
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2012
#1
Say what you will about the Affordable Care Act. It helped the parents of the kid who drums in my
calimary
Nov 2012
#190
But better than nothing is still not good. And what about those millions for whom
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#303
No, it isn't. It does suck less, but that is not good, and you didn't answer the question. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#383
That's not what was written, and you still haven't answered the question. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#401
Both my kids (20,22) have preexisting conditions, but can be on my health ins until 26.
AAO
Nov 2012
#440
Not the topic. When Sekhmets Daughter and I started this it was in response to the idea of
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#541
Do any of you people ever actually read what is written? You're like the 5th
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#564
Don't worry, I don't alert on my own behalf. I couldn't care less what name someone calls me.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#570
Perfection cannot be achieved at all, and nobody is asking for perfection. But like the other person
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#493
The "perfection" you wish for is government sponsered single payer national health care.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#524
You're the only one talking about perfection here, and single payer will not be perfect either.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#542
It leaves millions in an even more toxic environment. One idea being not quite as bad as another
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#170
Agreed, but we cannot be blind to the real problems within the system
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#174
That's not what I said. This thread is about the asinine notion that we need blend two completely
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#274
Another bankrupt notion you are using to distract from the bad idea you wrote in the OP.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#313
Good comment ! Republicans are skilled and ruthless with messaging. Their lack of morality adds
Maineman
Nov 2012
#518
You're right to worry about the republicans taking Democratic positions away, but the answer
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#544
Oh really? Tens of millions of us are forced to live without any representation in what is
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#543
You are really negative for no apparent reason, convince us you're not a troll.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#547
You have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this us, and how do you suppose that I
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#548
The people covered by social security was increased incrementally...
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#236
What Social Security was NOT was a mandate that people buy retirement plans from Wall Street n/t
eridani
Nov 2012
#414
No, just saying that SocSec was proudly a GOVERNMENT program right from the beginning
eridani
Nov 2012
#458
Only for people that can afford it. Those of us in poverty will get Medicaid...
Comrade_McKenzie
Nov 2012
#63
I see your point, and perhaps I could have made mine more clearly....
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#429
Thats not a good idea. Its simply what we got stuck with after caving in to Repukes.
Katashi_itto
Nov 2012
#142
I think the point is that it isn't any one ideology or mix of ideologies that is good, but...
LancetChick
Nov 2012
#22
What deal is the President offering? Any deal including even a mention of SS in the same sentence
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#550
Yes, exactly. This cannot be said enough. Eg, in the debates, Romney told the biggest lie
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#554
You'd do better to defend your mistake by expecting people to support th spirit of your message, not
ancianita
Nov 2012
#530
Have you ever worked in the federal government or a large corporation?
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#263
Read the book. And enforcing actual ethical standards in the real world would be far more effective
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#296
A.) Not a conservative idea at all, rather a means to reach an egalitarian society.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#283
We can remind them of fiscally responsible Republicans like Eisenhower
RepublicansRZombies
Nov 2012
#161
Conservation is a conservative idea. Don't confuse Ts for conservatives. Ts are cons.
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2012
#169
I think the conservative emphasis on smaller government has value except that it is warped by
Voice for Peace
Nov 2012
#399
Yes, but that's not what today's cons want. They're fine with billions wasted on unnecessary defense
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#423
If you don't like labels I would suggest you edit the word "purists" out of your OP
Bjorn Against
Nov 2012
#468
"On edit: now the spell checker didn't work correctly". You got your point across. nt
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#304
Yes, and deciding whether to take too much or take it all is not compromise, it is capitulation. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#302
It doesn't matter what the devolved Republican did. Fact remains, the EPA was a Republican
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2012
#208
But didn't originate it. It was his reaction to one aspect of a movement that threatened
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#308
And I think there are some things no real Democrat would ever "compromise" on -
forestpath
Nov 2012
#8
Actually, the left can.That's also an attempt to avoid using all tools in the Left's bigger tool box
ancianita
Nov 2012
#533
Don't put words in my mouth. And don't call me a peach. Your tactics remind me of somebody.
forestpath
Nov 2012
#279
Did liberals oppose Theo Roosevelt's environmental stewardship idea at the time? Do they now?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#417
Wow. By not implementing your own OP advice, you're not helping your credibility here.
ancianita
Nov 2012
#534
You say, "I knew I shouldn't put issues up as the Devil's advocate." Is that what you were doing
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#359
"If you want to have a conservative/liberal dialogue, with conservatives such as you describe,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#377
Thanks to progressive Ida Tarbell, socialist Upton Sinclair, preservationist John Muir...
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#444
"Through clever campaigning we managed to get 332 electoral votes": "clever "? "managed to get"?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#10
Given the difficult economy and some of the people that voted for Obama the first time, a
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#323
Obama "squeaked by!" 332 is only a landslide when Money BooBoo does it, doncha know!
MADem
Nov 2012
#113
I'll support compromise when the Repubs start acting like a legitimate party again.
reformist2
Nov 2012
#12
Yes, I don't like the punitive nature of some on our side - there is such a thing as 'sore winners.'
reformist2
Nov 2012
#49
Republicans knew that even if the cooperated, getting the economy healthy in four years
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#328
How about NOT letting Republicans have a majority in the House of Representives?
randome
Nov 2012
#39
Republicans were successful in Gerrymandering because the liberal purists sat on their asses,
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#339
I see Virginia staying blue and Florida becoming reliably Blue as long as democrats govern well.
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#342
Wow, they mentioned two whole topics but without plans! Oh, and about "taxing the rich"?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#26
True, but the first step in compromise is both sides looking for some common ground.
kstewart33
Nov 2012
#146
Given the thumping they've received, I'd wager that the Repubs are looking for some common ground.
kstewart33
Nov 2012
#356
As noted by centrists Mann and Ornstein in "Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem."
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#425
I don't think they're salient to any point about "compromise." And elections DO have consequences.
MADem
Nov 2012
#480
Yeah, right. The Democrats are "obstructing" the GOP from dismantling SS, Medicare, Medicaid...
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#82
"They sound funny with your accent"? Pray tell, what does that mean? Explain, please....
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#184
You must have missed when the true GOP conservatives were hijacked by the ultra-far-right....
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#35
I rarely miss any points, and in your case, I'm reading exactly what you wrote in your OP...
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#105
They got whooped because the people you lumped into a "tea-party" esq mentally got out the vote!
MrMickeysMom
Nov 2012
#464
a serious question - The traditional conservative movement may have had some worthwhile ideas
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2012
#47
The GOP has demonstrated time and again that they refuse to negotiate or compromise
magical thyme
Nov 2012
#52
Very well stated. I think it's very important that Dems get out there and sell the hell out of
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#494
"listening and adjusting" that is your recommendation?! adjusting to what, exactly?
amborin
Nov 2012
#59
Oh, now you want MORE PROGRESSIVES, do you? Because they are MORE CONSERVATIVE?
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#100
Please, tell us more about these wonderful conservative ideas you are promoting here.
Zorra
Nov 2012
#80
Deep Thoughts, from Ted Pantshitter Nugent, Money BooBoo, and "Hellfire Patsy" Robertson!
MADem
Nov 2012
#117
Well, time's up, I gotta go. That is the correct answer, btw: zip. zilch. nothing. nada.
Zorra
Nov 2012
#271
Listen, she is, but we need at LEAST a week to gloat. Lest you forget "get over it" of 2000. nt
LaydeeBug
Nov 2012
#127
I'm seriously out of the loop cause I don't recall Rachel saying this, & I can't find it on web
Melinda
Nov 2012
#130
My guess is that the OP is referencing Rachel's excellent day-after episode.
WilliamPitt
Nov 2012
#141
I hear you. I only hang out on DU during presidential elections or political events (Terry Schiavo)
Hamlette
Nov 2012
#138
i'm on rachel's side. BUT, republicans are no longer republicans or loyal.
pansypoo53219
Nov 2012
#140
But reasonable people with those conservative ideas you mention aren't running the ship.....
marmar
Nov 2012
#143
And here it is: the predictable, laughable corporate-echoing reply.
woo me with science
Nov 2012
#144
Thank you for that. I think many have lost even the ability to absorb that though.
Bonobo
Nov 2012
#413
The 1% has the money to pay hordes of persuasive corporatist propagandists to spew
Zorra
Nov 2012
#578
"lump all of my fellow Americans" -- no, but we can much more easily do that with the Repub
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#156
Glad you have the resources to choose to grow. Millions don't because of too many
jtuck004
Nov 2012
#157
Sure but let's not "compromise" before the other side has even made an offer...
jimlup
Nov 2012
#162
Oh get off it. OP is not trying to shut down discussion, but the purists try their damnedest. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2012
#175
Um, actually, we have WASTED enough time, blood and treasure trying to play nice
leeroysphitz
Nov 2012
#168
I didn't read the OP as suggesting Democrats play nice, but that they play smart
maui902
Nov 2012
#201
What are we "batshit crazy progressive purists" trying to "jam down their throats"?
pa28
Nov 2012
#171
Returning to a decentralized agrarian based culture is perhaps the only way to reverse ecological
SubgeniusHasSlack
Nov 2012
#580
I've read enough of your comments in this thread. Trashing....3...2...1....GONE!! nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#194
holding conservative values and shoving those values down people's throats
SemperEadem
Nov 2012
#209
They call themselves that, calling them by their chosen name is not derogatory
Dragonfli
Nov 2012
#406
when Han-nutty says he has changed his opinion on immigration, and Kristol on taxes, believe me
librechik
Nov 2012
#312
many of us are just DONE with trying to compromise with repugs who have to get their own way
wordpix
Nov 2012
#240
No one is putting words in your mouth. Your own words are sufficient. You said,
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#324
Sorry, I will NOT tolerate a party full of racists, homophobes, and misogynists
Hugabear
Nov 2012
#261
Well said. I am one that thinks the strongest democratic party is one that allows in an
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#277
speaking of Hegelian dialectic - if both sides are calling for cuts in people-oriented programs -
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2012
#347
"The Progressive purists took control of the boards" = in an alternative universe.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#367
Recommended. The first difficulty is to see that the problem is difficult.
WheelWalker
Nov 2012
#388
Right, let's start making deals with folks want see Obama swinging from a tree!
nonoxy9
Nov 2012
#449
I dont agree. You say, "But now I see the same old tired intransigent purists
rhett o rick
Nov 2012
#469
Fine sentiment that is not realistically applicable in present circumstances
TheKentuckian
Nov 2012
#473