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(61,785 posts) Tue Oct 31, 2023, 10:04 AM Oct 2023

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Massive misinformation campaign against Israel. [View all]

I'm not Jewish. I'm not an expert on the Middle East. I've been critical of the Israeli government. There's a lot I don't know, but I know antisemitism when I see it. I'm seeing antisemitism and an anti-Israeli disinformation campaign that seems to be coordinated. The minute Hamas attacked Israeli citizens - in a shockingly brutal terrorist attack in which victims were gang raped, tortured in public, paraded naked in front of mobs - an anti-Israeli propaganda campaign took off across the globe. I happen to know some folks affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Their social media rhetoric instantly ramped up against Israel. Not even a pause. Coordinated. We're seeing it on DU.

I can connect some dots but I'll leave that to others. Im here to witness what I'm seeing.

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Massive misinformation campaign against Israel. [View all] yardwork Oct 2023 OP

That is EXACTLY what I saw edisdead Oct 2023 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Oct 2023 #2

I've said many insensitive things. We're human. yardwork Oct 2023 #26

putin is behind both wars lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #3

Putin owns the GOP leadership. They have taken Russian money. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #6

Hopefully some of that Russian money MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #40

They'll take the 5th before they admit to being on Putin's payroll. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #49

I don't know but the timing is suspicious. yardwork Oct 2023 #7

Putin enid602 Oct 2023 #73

Desperation at the stalemate OrangeJoe Oct 2023 #107

Exactly! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #135

I agree, this was evident soon after Israel was attacked. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #4

Whatever it takes for the beeb to MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #41

Whatever it takes for Putin to win the war in Ukraine. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #50

Wagner enid602 Oct 2023 #126

Do you mean Priggy faked his own death? Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #138

Exactly! You could see it happening immediately- Quakerfriend Oct 2023 #54

Exactly. Putin is desperate to win the war in Ukraine by any means possible. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #66

That's a great observation and question. JudyM Oct 2023 #106

US taxpayers OrangeJoe Oct 2023 #108

They were not blindsided, Israel chose to ignore the warnings questionseverything Oct 2023 #102

I don't get it either.. Omnipresent Nov 2023 #136

Trump stole thousands of classified documents and showed them to random visitors... yardwork Nov 2023 #140

Putin. Some AmeriKKKans are helping. blm Oct 2023 #5

DSA seems to be in the forefront of this wave. comradebillyboy Oct 2023 #8

I think it's way bigger than DSA. yardwork Oct 2023 #12

I said in another thread - Hamas are marketing geniuses AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #14

Interesting! I didn't know that. yardwork Oct 2023 #18

Holy fuck the keffiyehs!!! YES! AnrothElf Oct 2023 #92

The sad thing is that keffiyehs are kinda cool looking AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #93

I remember in the early 80's at college the anti-jewish arab students were trying to convince all of us SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #114

Agree that it is much larger than DSA. But DSA wnylib Nov 2023 #143

I agree with your observations, yardwork, brer cat Oct 2023 #9

Yep. Zero mention of Hamas' slaughter of 1,400 civilians in Israel dalton99a Oct 2023 #10

I think we are entering a new era of disinformation. With social media and AI it walkingman Oct 2023 #11

Entering?? inthewind21 Oct 2023 #23

Funny - agree but with AI I don't think we have seen anything like what is to come. walkingman Oct 2023 #25

Ex-Google Officer Speaks Out On The Dangers Of AI Celerity Oct 2023 #59

I think they meant the entrance of AI (ChatGPT's Initial release date of November 30, 2022 being the first widespread Celerity Oct 2023 #57

May I ask a question?... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #13

Sea lions, man... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #15

? Think. Again. Oct 2023 #16

That's right, you don't actually do any Internet research AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #17

? Think. Again. Oct 2023 #71

Yes, thanks. This thread seems to assume anyone concerned about war crimes in Gaza are antisemitic MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #77

Thank You for posting this. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #86

Well said Redleg Oct 2023 #118

Since I'm the author of this OP I wonder if this comment is meant for me... yardwork Nov 2023 #141

I accept your concern about antisemitic tropes but the reference to a conspiracy MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #148

Happy to provide more detail about my thinking! yardwork Nov 2023 #150

I agree that Putin is involved MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #157

Most people are definitely NOT part of Putin's conspiracy. yardwork Nov 2023 #168

Day one - everyone was behind Israel womanofthehills Nov 2023 #182

There are lots of folks concerned about war crimes committed against the Gazans, in Gaza, by Hamas. lapucelle Nov 2023 #152

yes, agreed, Hamas are war criminals and both Palestinians and Israelis are victims MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #158

... lapucelle Nov 2023 #132

That poster is not sealioning obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #47

I Disagree. Cha Oct 2023 #74

And you're right as usual, Cha! Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #87

So obvious.. Cha Oct 2023 #98

May I ask... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #89

I agree. MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #78

... betsuni Oct 2023 #70

May I ask a question?... JoseBalow Oct 2023 #76

Thanks for this... radicalleft Oct 2023 #82

Me too. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #91

Perfect! (Bookmarking!) Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #85

Interesting DET Oct 2023 #88

This deserves its own OP Hekate Nov 2023 #166

REC Nailed IT. Cha Nov 2023 #176

No kidding. Cha Oct 2023 #112

I haven't, actually. yardwork Oct 2023 #24

People on the right feel that all Palestinians civilians in Gaza are Hamas LeftInTX Oct 2023 #38

People on the right say a lot of stupid, mean things. yardwork Oct 2023 #42

They have much more power than DSA and other fringe groups!!! LeftInTX Oct 2023 #45

And they gain even more power when they trick Democrats into agreeing with them. yardwork Oct 2023 #55

Not just people on the right but some people posting here at DU Redleg Oct 2023 #119

I've thought the same thing about trolls. I notice linguistic patterns. wnylib Nov 2023 #146

You seem to be doing the same thing... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #72

+1 MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #81

Misrepresenting Isaraelis as all agreeging with Netanyau, or Palestinians as all agreeing with Hamas is like MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #80

I don't disagree with anything you've posted there. yardwork Oct 2023 #84

Russia & China are involved big time. sarcasmo Oct 2023 #19

Troll farms and TikTok AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #22

K and R and yes absolutely. PCIntern Oct 2023 #20

But what is it when the people spreading it KNOW its disinformation? nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #21

I believe we refer to them as useful idiots. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #32

Trolling and propaganda. yardwork Oct 2023 #34

Recommend sheshe2 Oct 2023 #27

Thanks, sheshe. yardwork Oct 2023 #28

I do too, yardwork. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #39

that's a lot of innuendo without attribution or evidence bigtree Oct 2023 #29

If you mean DSA, I didn't intend to use innuendo. yardwork Oct 2023 #31

kinda misinforming bigtree Oct 2023 #33

How is it misinforming to express an opinion? yardwork Oct 2023 #37

it's definitely opinion bigtree Oct 2023 #51

So you disagree with my opinion. yardwork Oct 2023 #53

+1 peppertree Oct 2023 #61

What does "genociding" mean? N/T lapucelle Nov 2023 #153

Give it what you want.. Ive seen everything the Cha Oct 2023 #75

+1 sheshe2 Oct 2023 #101

Mahalo, she... I hope the poster READS IT!! Cha Oct 2023 #111

Exactly! mzmolly Oct 2023 #30

Yeah, it was obvious the next day. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #35

That's what I noticed. It wasn't organic. yardwork Oct 2023 #36

I agree with much of what you are seeing--I am also not Jewish, also previously critical Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #43

So well said! Thank you. yardwork Oct 2023 #46

Al Quaeda and Taliban equal Hamas in this conflict MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #83

Demanding a cease-fire almost as soon as military action Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #90

I think you left out... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #94

Right: Take out Hamas, but no bombs or missiles. Take out Hamas, but hey, no Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #95

You are absolutely correct right up until... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #96

I think that's what some folks wish would happen, and it can't happen. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #97

It would be the only way... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #99

It's not doable. It's probably impossible. And thus it's disingenuous Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #100

I disagree. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #103

OK. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #104

It appears that some of the newly-minted experts on international law lapucelle Nov 2023 #134

Can you cite the convention and the article that states what you claim? N/T lapucelle Nov 2023 #151

Here ya go... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #154

You made a claim. Surely you can back it up with a citation of the convention and the article. lapucelle Nov 2023 #156

You are lying.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #159

I have another new term for you: sub-thread. lapucelle Nov 2023 #160

Are 'subthreads' like parallel threads... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #161

Sometimes pictures help! lapucelle Nov 2023 #163

Do you realize that screenshot.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #164

It's easy to learn to follow a sub thread with practice! lapucelle Nov 2023 #167

Yes, don't lose hope!... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #169

What "list" were you talking about? There's only one list in that subthread. lapucelle Nov 2023 #171

You are "sea-lioning me... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #174

When I can't back up a claim, I don't run around calling people names. lapucelle Nov 2023 #175

The claim I made is backed up... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #177

The claim that there is only one way a war could be fought by Israel lapucelle Nov 2023 #179

My link IS... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #180

To be clear, the OP concerns misinformation. lapucelle Nov 2023 #181

You have, AGAIN.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #183

I think by now it's clear that the Geneva Conventions in no way requires lapucelle Nov 2023 #184

There was a ceasefire on October 7, 2023. Hamas broke it. lapucelle Nov 2023 #133

Good example of disinformation ....they are not carpet bombing. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #129

Thank You DET Oct 2023 #113

Thanks. Yes, the coverage is intended not so much to inform but to inflame. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #123

So True DET Nov 2023 #127

Yes, it is coordinated and it's been happening and building up over a long time JI7 Oct 2023 #44

Does anybody feel as I do: That Europe is getting off the hook in this conflict? GreenWave Oct 2023 #48

They always get off! LeftInTX Oct 2023 #52

Europe has taken in a lot of middle eastern refugees. yardwork Oct 2023 #56

Ive said that for some time. xmas74 Oct 2023 #60

Yes. I don't know much, but that seems clear. yardwork Oct 2023 #62

May 14,1948 xmas74 Oct 2023 #63

It's unfortunate that this history isn't better understood. yardwork Oct 2023 #64

It was promised to them & Britain wanted out. xmas74 Oct 2023 #68

Here? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #110

I just saw a social media post demanding we all cancel xmas74 Oct 2023 #58

Yes, it's sick LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #65

God bless Jim Gaffigan. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #69

TY for this from Jim Gaffigan.. Cha Oct 2023 #79

You're welcome! LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #109

It's easy once you get the hang Cha Oct 2023 #115

OH, wow. I thought I did that. LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #124

So does it work for you now? Cha Oct 2023 #125

K&R betsuni Oct 2023 #67

I detected that from the unprecedented anti-Israel opposition that I've been seeing. live love laugh Oct 2023 #105

It's been the same for 30 years Hamlette Oct 2023 #116

He's not helping, that's for sure. yardwork Oct 2023 #122

IMO, the first casualty of any kind of war... slightlv Oct 2023 #117

That is part of the nature of asymmetric warfare Redleg Oct 2023 #120

This! mcar Oct 2023 #121

I don't see it. Diraven Nov 2023 #128

I definitely think there's a conspiracy, so guilty as charged. yardwork Nov 2023 #142

Yup. And then there's the "both sides are wrong" folks. SunSeeker Nov 2023 #130

Attacking Israel makes old time anti-Jewish attitudes more palitable because one can wrap the hatred in nice AZLD4Candidate Nov 2023 #131

Cold fact: STFU deniers Ponietz Nov 2023 #137

Thanks for posting this. yardwork Nov 2023 #139

👊 Ponietz Nov 2023 #147

The whole "refugee camp" term that is thrown around as well. Ace Rothstein Nov 2023 #144

Yeah, that's something I noticed... yagotme Nov 2023 #178

I agree with Donny Deutsch LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #145

Perfect! Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #149

Thanks for posting that clip. betsuni Nov 2023 #155

Nicolle Wallace is a helluva good journalist. That segment was incredible. Hekate Nov 2023 #170

We've come to see immediate gratification and aversion as meaningful... gulliver Nov 2023 #162

What you said, yardwork. I wasn't expecting it's sheer virulence across campuses... Hekate Nov 2023 #165

... lapucelle Nov 2023 #172

🌸 Hekate Nov 2023 #173