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yardwork

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141. Since I'm the author of this OP I wonder if this comment is meant for me...
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 09:49 AM
Nov 2023

If you aren't engaging in antisemitic talk or behavior, then your conscience is clear. If you aren't (deliberately or inadvertently) helping to spread false propaganda, good for you.

(Examples of antisemitic talk include insisting that "from the mountains to the sea" is just like MLK's speech about letting freedom ring, rather than a call to wipe out Israel. (If you don't think Israel should exist, say so! Some American Jews don't agree with the creation of Israel. That's a policy issue.) Other antisemitic tropes include characterizing Israel as Nazis. Accusing Israel of conducting "genocide" is an antisemitic dog whistle. Use of terms like "bloodlust" and "bloodthirsty" to describe Israel echoes age-old antisemitic tropes. I've seen all of these and more on DU lately. And I think these phrases are being promoted by outside influences.)

I have no problem with criticism of Israel's policies or actions as long as they aren't wrapped in antisemitic tropes and as long as the criticism is based on actual facts, not misinformation. I speak only for myself and my OP.

Finally, I don't think it divides us to point out that we're being inundated with misinformation by bad actors. We're already divided. Recognizing that this is happening again - as it did in 2016, as it did with Brexit - can help bring us back together as a united team.

That is EXACTLY what I saw edisdead Oct 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Oct 2023 #2
I've said many insensitive things. We're human. yardwork Oct 2023 #26
putin is behind both wars lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #3
Putin owns the GOP leadership. They have taken Russian money. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #6
Hopefully some of that Russian money MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #40
They'll take the 5th before they admit to being on Putin's payroll. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #49
I don't know but the timing is suspicious. yardwork Oct 2023 #7
Putin enid602 Oct 2023 #73
Desperation at the stalemate OrangeJoe Oct 2023 #107
Exactly! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #135
I agree, this was evident soon after Israel was attacked. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #4
Whatever it takes for the beeb to MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #41
Whatever it takes for Putin to win the war in Ukraine. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #50
Wagner enid602 Oct 2023 #126
Do you mean Priggy faked his own death? Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #138
Exactly! You could see it happening immediately- Quakerfriend Oct 2023 #54
Exactly. Putin is desperate to win the war in Ukraine by any means possible. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #66
That's a great observation and question. JudyM Oct 2023 #106
US taxpayers OrangeJoe Oct 2023 #108
They were not blindsided, Israel chose to ignore the warnings questionseverything Oct 2023 #102
I don't get it either.. Omnipresent Nov 2023 #136
Trump stole thousands of classified documents and showed them to random visitors... yardwork Nov 2023 #140
Putin. Some AmeriKKKans are helping. blm Oct 2023 #5
DSA seems to be in the forefront of this wave. comradebillyboy Oct 2023 #8
I think it's way bigger than DSA. yardwork Oct 2023 #12
I said in another thread - Hamas are marketing geniuses AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #14
Interesting! I didn't know that. yardwork Oct 2023 #18
Holy fuck the keffiyehs!!! YES! AnrothElf Oct 2023 #92
The sad thing is that keffiyehs are kinda cool looking AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #93
I remember in the early 80's at college the anti-jewish arab students were trying to convince all of us SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #114
Agree that it is much larger than DSA. But DSA wnylib Nov 2023 #143
I agree with your observations, yardwork, brer cat Oct 2023 #9
Yep. Zero mention of Hamas' slaughter of 1,400 civilians in Israel dalton99a Oct 2023 #10
I think we are entering a new era of disinformation. With social media and AI it walkingman Oct 2023 #11
Entering?? inthewind21 Oct 2023 #23
Funny - agree but with AI I don't think we have seen anything like what is to come. walkingman Oct 2023 #25
Ex-Google Officer Speaks Out On The Dangers Of AI Celerity Oct 2023 #59
I think they meant the entrance of AI (ChatGPT's Initial release date of November 30, 2022 being the first widespread Celerity Oct 2023 #57
May I ask a question?... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #13
Sea lions, man... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #15
? Think. Again. Oct 2023 #16
That's right, you don't actually do any Internet research AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #17
? Think. Again. Oct 2023 #71
Yes, thanks. This thread seems to assume anyone concerned about war crimes in Gaza are antisemitic MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #77
Thank You for posting this. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #86
Well said Redleg Oct 2023 #118
Since I'm the author of this OP I wonder if this comment is meant for me... yardwork Nov 2023 #141
I accept your concern about antisemitic tropes but the reference to a conspiracy MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #148
Happy to provide more detail about my thinking! yardwork Nov 2023 #150
I agree that Putin is involved MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #157
Most people are definitely NOT part of Putin's conspiracy. yardwork Nov 2023 #168
Day one - everyone was behind Israel womanofthehills Nov 2023 #182
There are lots of folks concerned about war crimes committed against the Gazans, in Gaza, by Hamas. lapucelle Nov 2023 #152
yes, agreed, Hamas are war criminals and both Palestinians and Israelis are victims MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #158
... lapucelle Nov 2023 #132
That poster is not sealioning obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #47
I Disagree. Cha Oct 2023 #74
And you're right as usual, Cha! Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #87
So obvious.. Cha Oct 2023 #98
May I ask... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #89
I agree. MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #78
... betsuni Oct 2023 #70
May I ask a question?... JoseBalow Oct 2023 #76
Thanks for this... radicalleft Oct 2023 #82
Me too. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #91
Perfect! (Bookmarking!) Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #85
Interesting DET Oct 2023 #88
This deserves its own OP Hekate Nov 2023 #166
REC Nailed IT. Cha Nov 2023 #176
No kidding. Cha Oct 2023 #112
I haven't, actually. yardwork Oct 2023 #24
People on the right feel that all Palestinians civilians in Gaza are Hamas LeftInTX Oct 2023 #38
People on the right say a lot of stupid, mean things. yardwork Oct 2023 #42
They have much more power than DSA and other fringe groups!!! LeftInTX Oct 2023 #45
And they gain even more power when they trick Democrats into agreeing with them. yardwork Oct 2023 #55
Not just people on the right but some people posting here at DU Redleg Oct 2023 #119
I've thought the same thing about trolls. I notice linguistic patterns. wnylib Nov 2023 #146
You seem to be doing the same thing... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #72
+1 MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #81
Misrepresenting Isaraelis as all agreeging with Netanyau, or Palestinians as all agreeing with Hamas is like MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #80
I don't disagree with anything you've posted there. yardwork Oct 2023 #84
Russia & China are involved big time. sarcasmo Oct 2023 #19
Troll farms and TikTok AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #22
K and R and yes absolutely. PCIntern Oct 2023 #20
But what is it when the people spreading it KNOW its disinformation? nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #21
I believe we refer to them as useful idiots. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #32
Trolling and propaganda. yardwork Oct 2023 #34
Recommend sheshe2 Oct 2023 #27
Thanks, sheshe. yardwork Oct 2023 #28
I do too, yardwork. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #39
that's a lot of innuendo without attribution or evidence bigtree Oct 2023 #29
If you mean DSA, I didn't intend to use innuendo. yardwork Oct 2023 #31
kinda misinforming bigtree Oct 2023 #33
How is it misinforming to express an opinion? yardwork Oct 2023 #37
it's definitely opinion bigtree Oct 2023 #51
So you disagree with my opinion. yardwork Oct 2023 #53
+1 peppertree Oct 2023 #61
What does "genociding" mean? N/T lapucelle Nov 2023 #153
Give it what you want.. Ive seen everything the Cha Oct 2023 #75
+1 sheshe2 Oct 2023 #101
Mahalo, she... I hope the poster READS IT!! Cha Oct 2023 #111
Exactly! mzmolly Oct 2023 #30
Yeah, it was obvious the next day. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #35
That's what I noticed. It wasn't organic. yardwork Oct 2023 #36
I agree with much of what you are seeing--I am also not Jewish, also previously critical Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #43
So well said! Thank you. yardwork Oct 2023 #46
Al Quaeda and Taliban equal Hamas in this conflict MadameButterfly Oct 2023 #83
Demanding a cease-fire almost as soon as military action Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #90
I think you left out... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #94
Right: Take out Hamas, but no bombs or missiles. Take out Hamas, but hey, no Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #95
You are absolutely correct right up until... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #96
I think that's what some folks wish would happen, and it can't happen. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #97
It would be the only way... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #99
It's not doable. It's probably impossible. And thus it's disingenuous Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #100
I disagree. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #103
OK. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #104
It appears that some of the newly-minted experts on international law lapucelle Nov 2023 #134
Can you cite the convention and the article that states what you claim? N/T lapucelle Nov 2023 #151
Here ya go... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #154
You made a claim. Surely you can back it up with a citation of the convention and the article. lapucelle Nov 2023 #156
You are lying.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #159
I have another new term for you: sub-thread. lapucelle Nov 2023 #160
Are 'subthreads' like parallel threads... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #161
Sometimes pictures help! lapucelle Nov 2023 #163
Do you realize that screenshot.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #164
It's easy to learn to follow a sub thread with practice! lapucelle Nov 2023 #167
Yes, don't lose hope!... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #169
What "list" were you talking about? There's only one list in that subthread. lapucelle Nov 2023 #171
You are "sea-lioning me... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #174
When I can't back up a claim, I don't run around calling people names. lapucelle Nov 2023 #175
The claim I made is backed up... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #177
The claim that there is only one way a war could be fought by Israel lapucelle Nov 2023 #179
My link IS... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #180
To be clear, the OP concerns misinformation. lapucelle Nov 2023 #181
You have, AGAIN.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #183
I think by now it's clear that the Geneva Conventions in no way requires lapucelle Nov 2023 #184
There was a ceasefire on October 7, 2023. Hamas broke it. lapucelle Nov 2023 #133
Good example of disinformation ....they are not carpet bombing. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #129
Thank You DET Oct 2023 #113
Thanks. Yes, the coverage is intended not so much to inform but to inflame. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #123
So True DET Nov 2023 #127
Yes, it is coordinated and it's been happening and building up over a long time JI7 Oct 2023 #44
Does anybody feel as I do: That Europe is getting off the hook in this conflict? GreenWave Oct 2023 #48
They always get off! LeftInTX Oct 2023 #52
Europe has taken in a lot of middle eastern refugees. yardwork Oct 2023 #56
Ive said that for some time. xmas74 Oct 2023 #60
Yes. I don't know much, but that seems clear. yardwork Oct 2023 #62
May 14,1948 xmas74 Oct 2023 #63
It's unfortunate that this history isn't better understood. yardwork Oct 2023 #64
It was promised to them & Britain wanted out. xmas74 Oct 2023 #68
Here? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #110
I just saw a social media post demanding we all cancel xmas74 Oct 2023 #58
Yes, it's sick LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #65
God bless Jim Gaffigan. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #69
TY for this from Jim Gaffigan.. Cha Oct 2023 #79
You're welcome! LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #109
It's easy once you get the hang Cha Oct 2023 #115
OH, wow. I thought I did that. LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #124
So does it work for you now? Cha Oct 2023 #125
K&R betsuni Oct 2023 #67
I detected that from the unprecedented anti-Israel opposition that I've been seeing. live love laugh Oct 2023 #105
It's been the same for 30 years Hamlette Oct 2023 #116
He's not helping, that's for sure. yardwork Oct 2023 #122
IMO, the first casualty of any kind of war... slightlv Oct 2023 #117
That is part of the nature of asymmetric warfare Redleg Oct 2023 #120
This! mcar Oct 2023 #121
I don't see it. Diraven Nov 2023 #128
I definitely think there's a conspiracy, so guilty as charged. yardwork Nov 2023 #142
Yup. And then there's the "both sides are wrong" folks. SunSeeker Nov 2023 #130
Attacking Israel makes old time anti-Jewish attitudes more palitable because one can wrap the hatred in nice AZLD4Candidate Nov 2023 #131
Cold fact: STFU deniers Ponietz Nov 2023 #137
Thanks for posting this. yardwork Nov 2023 #139
👊 Ponietz Nov 2023 #147
The whole "refugee camp" term that is thrown around as well. Ace Rothstein Nov 2023 #144
Yeah, that's something I noticed... yagotme Nov 2023 #178
I agree with Donny Deutsch LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #145
Perfect! Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #149
Thanks for posting that clip. betsuni Nov 2023 #155
Nicolle Wallace is a helluva good journalist. That segment was incredible. Hekate Nov 2023 #170
We've come to see immediate gratification and aversion as meaningful... gulliver Nov 2023 #162
What you said, yardwork. I wasn't expecting it's sheer virulence across campuses... Hekate Nov 2023 #165
... lapucelle Nov 2023 #172
🌸 Hekate Nov 2023 #173
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