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BannonsLiver

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78. They were correct on those decisions.

Reply to TheRealNorth (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 7, 2023, 05:51 PM

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The US dropped two nukes on Japanese cities [View all] ripcord Nov 2023 OP

Its two (2) not to. If Israel dropped nukes on Gaza it would take out most of Israel. Srkdqltr Nov 2023 #1

I think that the OP is assuming that all of us approve of Hiroshima Chainfire Nov 2023 #4

Thank you... WarGamer Nov 2023 #43

Yeah. No. Takealeft Nov 2023 #56

Do you have anything to add to the conversation? Chainfire Nov 2023 #58

Some sorely needed context Takealeft Nov 2023 #70

The two thoughtful replies are appreciated. Chainfire Nov 2023 #76

I saw an article on Al Jazeera today. They don't want the PA back. Think they still support Hamas. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #91

are you referring to israel using nuc's? getagrip_already Nov 2023 #2

And Japan had no navy to speak of by the summer of 1945. lpbk2713 Nov 2023 #9

my father was a physician in the army air corp stationed in the philipines then..... getagrip_already Nov 2023 #10

Have a friend who was on a crew in Vietnam that used Eimco dozers and earthmovers PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #21

The sailors MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #25

JFC nuking to save lives n/t leftstreet Nov 2023 #3

An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been far, far worse in terms of casualties for both sides. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #17

That is pure speculation obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #20

Truman warned the Japanese after Hiroshima that more bombings would follow, along with an invasion. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #28

Well that is certainly the government line on the story. Chainfire Nov 2023 #57

I'm going to have to disagree with you that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atrocities, I'm afraid. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #60

It should be noted SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #64

Yes, the Kyūjō incident, as EX500Rider mentioned downthread. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #72

As I said, that is the government line on the history. Chainfire Nov 2023 #74

"As I said, that is the government line on the history." Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #82

When one considers the grim, fanatical tenacity Disaffected Nov 2023 #85

Their grim, fanatical tenacity to turn the tide of the war gave birth to the kamikaze. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #90

People nowadays don't understand the "Bushido" code. yagotme Nov 2023 #92

I agree with you pfitz59 Nov 2023 #67

Invasion wasn't necessary. Japan was broken and we had them surrounded. Silent Type Nov 2023 #26

Then they should have surrendered, don't you think? Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #30

They were no threat to us at that point. Silent Type Nov 2023 #37

Then they should have recognized reality and surrendered. They didn't. Things happened. N/T Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #38

OK, kill a 100,000 innocent men, women, and children because Asians wouldn't bow down, Silent Type Nov 2023 #41

Yes, American leadership had a duty to preserve American lives over Japanese lives. That's war. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #48

They were a huge threat to any American who stepped foot in their country. Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #65

600,000 Japanese troops were still fighting in China EX500rider Nov 2023 #66

However millions of Japanese were going to starve to death as we had the islands blockaded with subs/mines EX500rider Nov 2023 #32

Starved, turned to dust, etc., still dead. And we didn't have to let them starve. Rationalizing our vile action Silent Type Nov 2023 #35

You seem unsure how war works EX500rider Nov 2023 #42

They were no threat to us, just Asians waiting for our big bomb. We didn't have to invade. Silent Type Nov 2023 #45

So, no hurry to get the war over, to hell with the Chinese being slaughtered? EX500rider Nov 2023 #47

That's not why we nuked two cities. Silent Type Nov 2023 #53

We did it to end the war and it worked. EX500rider Nov 2023 #54

Have you ever actually studied the war in the Pacific? AkFemDem Nov 2023 #55

That's sure easy to say choie Nov 2023 #94

The US had an idea of what the mainland would be like: yagotme Nov 2023 #96

Yes, it's extraordinarily easy to say. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #97

Profanity aside, Disaffected Nov 2023 #87

Two totally separate situations, one involving terrorists and the other a country Doc Sportello Nov 2023 #5

Such a bad analogy. tinrobot Nov 2023 #6

That topic has been debated for a long time now. Caliman73 Nov 2023 #7

"There are documents that dispute those estimates" EX500rider Nov 2023 #39

Saying "moral high ground" and "United States" John Shaft Nov 2023 #8

Amen inthewind21 Nov 2023 #31

When compared to Imperial Japan & Nazi Germany we certainly were on the high ground EX500rider Nov 2023 #44

The United States did the same shit and codified it within the Constitution John Shaft Nov 2023 #62

The US fought a war to end slavery and neither of those things happened just 78 years ago EX500rider Nov 2023 #68

They didn't happen in geological time either John Shaft Nov 2023 #71

There is a serious question as to whether what we did was a crime ExciteBike66 Nov 2023 #11

Next step..."Kill them all... God will know his own!" ... albacore Nov 2023 #12

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out Redleg Nov 2023 #14

"...how is what Israel is doing any different?" LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #13

I reject this comparison utterly. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #15

that's hard to believe looking at before and after satellite images of Model35mech Nov 2023 #22

At that time, a lot of things were different ecstatic Nov 2023 #16

I'm very confused about why you think anyone is advocating for a return to those times. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #81

I personally think they were war crimes obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #18

Justified in each case. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #19

That is an extremely weak analogy. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #23

The moral of the story... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Nov 2023 #80

This brought out the revisionists BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #27

You mean Dresden, that town with no weapons, no military value, no war industry? A purely civilian target ... marble falls Nov 2023 #34

There's been a lot written about both sides of that decision. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #36

So you're saying it's not revisionism leftstreet Nov 2023 #51

Slaughterhouse-Five, or, The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #52

The only thing that Dresden had were thousands of additional women and children refugees fleeing the Russians. Chainfire Nov 2023 #61

Dresden was a war crime, and your mocking us doesn't mean it wasn't obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #46

And your contention (revisionism) that it was a war crime doesn't make it one either. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #49

You got that right! Chainfire Nov 2023 #77

Because our ancestors were always correct all the time.... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #59

They were correct on those decisions. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #78

If you think there's equivelency you need to read some WWII history, let alone ... marble falls Nov 2023 #29

Hope Israel does not join US as the only countries to use nukes to kill innocents. Silent Type Nov 2023 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #40

Can you teach me to completely disregard human life? Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #50

A-fucking-men John Shaft Nov 2023 #63

I certainly am not willing to put my human blinders on for any nation, my own included. Chainfire Nov 2023 #79

I'm really sorry you've had to adopt that stand on the government Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #86

After the war SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #69

Hamas is not going to surrender no matter how many Palestinians are killed. Earth-shine Nov 2023 #73

It is Easy Willto Nov 2023 #75

Good summation. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #83

We killed a couple of hundred thousand Japanese civilians Red Mountain Nov 2023 #89

Correct. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #84

Yes we did what was necessary to end WW2. Great decision. beaglelover Nov 2023 #88

Don't assume that all of us believe dropping choie Nov 2023 #93

It saved millions of lives on both sides Calculating Nov 2023 #95