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In reply to the discussion: I am NOT leaving DU... [View all]

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
49. Let's not pretend it's all coming from one side.
Sat Nov 25, 2023, 03:38 AM
Nov 2023

Your own post includes quite a few aspersions and broad brush criticisms of people you disagree with. You describe your position as "pro concern about war crime againts [sic] Palestinian civilians" as if those who lean towards Israel don't care about war crimes, and caricaturize the other side as saying "Israel can do whatever it wants"-- a position, that as far as I can tell, is held by exactly zero people on DU. Then you say that most of the nastiness is from that group of people. I think there are a lot of pots and kettles here on every side of this debate.

One might also say it takes a psychic toll to be constantly, and falsely, called pro-genocide, pro-war crimes, bloodthirsty, indifferent to death and destruction, and racist.

Now, on a more personal note: I know you're talking about me. Earlier today, in a heated moment, I replied badly to another DUer. That DUer had responded to a claim that Hamas had broken a ceasefire on October 7 by pointing out that Israel has killed a few hundred Palestinians in the West Bank from 2021-2022, and said that maybe there was no ceasefire in place on October 7. To me, this felt like a claim that it was Israel that had started this war, not Hamas-- in fact, maybe even saying that the October 7 attack was just a legitimate battle in a long war. Why exactly actions on the West Bank would break a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, which rules Gaza, wasn't made clear.

To me, this sounded like an argument that Hamas's attack was not unprovoked and was a "legal" military action. I meant to say that it was the argument a lawyer would make to a court about who was responsible for the current war. I didn't intend to imply the other person was in fact, Hamas's lawyer, or pro-Hamas, but rather had made one argument that a pro-Hamas person would make. Instead, it came out as something like "you're doing a good job being Hamas's lawyer," or words to that effect. That comment was interpreted, perhaps reasonably, as a personal attack, and was removed.

I know from some of your previous comments to me that you have a pretty low opinion of me, but I still respect you, and wanted to give you that explanation. Please take it for whatever it's worth to you, which may be nothing.

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I am NOT leaving DU... [View all] PCIntern Nov 2023 OP
This can be a very caring and welcoming community. I only hope it will be again. hlthe2b Nov 2023 #1
Appreciate your reflection and post. Tumult tests cachukis Nov 2023 #2
I, for one, appreciate your posts. madamesilverspurs Nov 2023 #3
Same here. paleotn Nov 2023 #80
Your post and others like it. Permanut Nov 2023 #4
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As one who has Rec'd several of your posts, I ask, why *would* you (leave)? UTUSN Nov 2023 #6
It's obvious Violet_Crumble Nov 2023 #40
Excellent post, thank you! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #62
To speak to someone else's motives is bad form and such certainty is part of the problem elias7 Nov 2023 #69
Conundrum! pazzyanne Nov 2023 #77
I agree. Haggard Celine Nov 2023 #86
You get total support from me, my friend FakeNoose Nov 2023 #7
Americans are not supporting terrorism womanofthehills Nov 2023 #43
Thank you for that post claudette Nov 2023 #58
Thank you! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #61
Thank you for standing up for the children.. and other innocents. HUAJIAO Nov 2023 #64
Yes, Hamas unleashed something horrific, didn't they? RandomNumbers Nov 2023 #75
Agree. nt pazzyanne Nov 2023 #78
Every war is a war against children. Glaisne Nov 2023 #84
Americans Don't Support the GD Terrorist BUTCHERS HAMAS. Cha Nov 2023 #95
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Are you aware that it's very boring here without your posts? madaboutharry Nov 2023 #10
Understand. I find the back and forth to be MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #11
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+1000. We have a lot going on the next 12 months. I hope the petty BS stops Silent Type Nov 2023 #29
Very wise. You showed great restraint. NCIndie Nov 2023 #13
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Excellent post. I'm not sure jury systems handle this kind of thing well. In any event, Silent Type Nov 2023 #27
I may not agree with you much lately, DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #28
This latest war has divided so much of this country KS Toronado Nov 2023 #30
I am not shocked at all. Look at the demographics here. Celerity Nov 2023 #32
Let's not pretend it's all coming from one side. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #49
Since I am the poster you rudely responded too - let's get some truth out here. I never said Israel started Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #66
As I said, I didn't mean to call you a Hamas supporter. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #85
This is getting silly I agree but I'll be happy to explain Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #87
Okay. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #88
If one cares about war crimes. . . Stargleamer Nov 2023 #102
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I wish the people who criticize me for being too pro-Israel... BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #50
right? Skittles Nov 2023 #53
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That's a thing of the past, apparently Violet_Crumble Nov 2023 #54
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