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rhett o rick

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156. Once again I agree that is was over the top. My frustration with deniers got the best of me.

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:16 AM

Nov 2012

I dont mind doubters. In fact doubting indicates keeping an open mind. However, I dont understand those that go beyond doubt and go to great lengths to deny that something happened or may have happened. Some posters have posted a great number of posts not only denying the possibility but ridiculing those that might dare to think otherwise. What is their goal with so much fervor? It certainly isnt to try to get to the bottom of the issue. Seems they only want to shut down discussion.

I dont know if Anon accomplished anything. It doesnt matter. I do believe our election system is terribly vulnerable and little has been done in the last 10 years. If this Anon controversy brings attention to the real problem maybe we can get something done.
Once again, I apologize for my over the top reference.

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Weird! Anonymous is *horrible*, but harming the 99% is nothing to worry our little minds about? [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 OP

one could post proof and evidence to one's claims, couldn't one? otherwise it's just make believe nt msongs Nov 2012 #1

I don't understand what you are asking proof of! Is it possible that they could have been teddy51 Nov 2012 #8

And if your aunt had balls, she would be your uncle. zappaman Nov 2012 #11

I serve on juries here all the time thanks, and I have not heard anyone complain about teddy51 Nov 2012 #14

but asking for evidence of large claim that purports to be fact cali Nov 2012 #20

What's your point, if you even have one? I'm asking those that are asking others teddy51 Nov 2012 #23

bwahahahaha. I love the smell of hypocrisy on a chill November Eve cali Nov 2012 #29

"you can't prove a negative" I do believe that was in your post, not mine. teddy51 Nov 2012 #32

no, hon. YOU introduced that lame dog shit as an argument. To wit: cali Nov 2012 #41

One can prove a negative, Google it and you will find it. teddy51 Nov 2012 #43

Oh please. You're just embarassing yourself. cali Nov 2012 #49

One can prove there are no even prime numbers larger than 2, but that is not cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #52

2 is a Prime Number n/t Aerows Nov 2012 #157

And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #162

Damn math geeks :D Aerows Nov 2012 #170

Prove that I wasn't involved. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #44

First there must be "something" to be involved in. Get that? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #138

lol Your a little late to the party, but WTF I will be a good sport. Watch this video, and get teddy51 Nov 2012 #139

In the last 20 seconds of that video, Hartmann says "IF this is true..." cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #140

Well I am not saying now, nor have I ever said that Anonymous had anything to do with the election. teddy51 Nov 2012 #141

Make believe. I must be a CT because I am of the opinion that George Bush was never a legitimately sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #48

+1,000 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #95

Agree!!! And IMO Karl Rove and his ilk are dangerous to the survival of the US. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #128

You said it! nt dflprincess Nov 2012 #134

Code can easily be written to delete itself after execution. Occulus Nov 2012 #91

It is true code can delete itself... It is also true that it can not remove all traces it was there Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #148

You ask this because you; A. haven't thought it through. B. Appear to be vested in denying any form Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #127

"It's interesting how some posters are making a concerted effort to wipe out any notion that teddy51 Nov 2012 #2

I have to say I agree. Some posters are completely rabid about the fact that others Squinch Nov 2012 #77

No you are not nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #84

You were also told time and time again zappaman Nov 2012 #94

Your header made me laugh. Squinch Nov 2012 #135

Likewise it's in theory possible that Obama was actually born in Kenya mythology Nov 2012 #108

Did you happen to watch this video? Well why don't you do that and get back to me! teddy51 Nov 2012 #113

That is such a bad analogy I don't know where to begin. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #130

My thoughts exactly! Squinch Nov 2012 #133

Actually Anonymous is claiming they prevented the election from being altered dflprincess Nov 2012 #137

Nah, Anonymous is cool, it's ProSense Nov 2012 #3

The REAL Anonymous is perhaps coool, but this is NOT the real Anonymous Coyotl Nov 2012 #50

Can you explain what this "obscure corner" of the web is? starroute Nov 2012 #70

So Are You Saying, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2012 #4

. ProSense Nov 2012 #7

No. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #10

Obama is going to loose! ProSense Nov 2012 #12

I said that Anonymous saved us? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #13

"Anonymous stopped Rove and Company from flipping votes." ProSense Nov 2012 #17

One of us either has severe difficulty understanding the English language, or... MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #18

"One of us either has severe difficulty understanding the English language" ProSense Nov 2012 #19

LOL. burn. phleshdef Nov 2012 #37

You strongly linked the two. It's called inference. duh. cali Nov 2012 #21

Just Trying To Be Clear, Sir, About what You Did Write The Magistrate Nov 2012 #15

That seemed clear enough to me. Many of the same people throwing a fit over what was most likely sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #51

More ProSense Nov 2012 #72

OK then. So do you agree that the President has called for cuts MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #104

I don't think as many people ProSense Nov 2012 #174

OK then. So do you agree that the President has called for cuts MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #175

No, I don't agree. ProSense Nov 2012 #176

So you don't believe that Obama *offered* and *agreed* to cut Social Security by 10% MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #179

Well, that would be good news, however I have been personally told sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #121

And they defend the oil giants and nuclear industries too. iemitsu Nov 2012 #5

So, do you have links to the accusation in your OP zappaman Nov 2012 #6

Thank you, most of the claims in this thread are opinions, which I guess we are supposed to side patrice Nov 2012 #78

Attcking DU members again I see. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #9

Would you call the President's SPECIFIC proposal to reduce MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #100

Those are your words, so I'm thinking you can me which you think it is. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #153

IIRC, the only things that I predicted are that Obama would eventually call for cuts MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #154

Careful, you are getting close to making an actual prediction. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #155

Because 10% is what Obama proposed last July. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #158

I'll explain this again ... JoePhilly Nov 2012 #161

First a question: Can Obama cut Social Security by himself? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #163

Nope, much like he could not get a public option without help from Congress. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #168

So what am I missing here? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #178

If you want to claim he's going to do something, then tell us when and why, and how. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #182

gee, some of us would like a bit of evidence with our helping of cali Nov 2012 #16

What's interesting to me is why anyone cares if Anon 'defamed' Karl Rove by suggesting sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #53

Some people actually dislike Lies. Seriously. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #56

Me too, liars like Karl Rove whose lies and schemes against so many sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #116

I see the talking points have been figured out backwoodsbob Nov 2012 #145

say what? do show me one post where anyone is claiming that. cali Nov 2012 #69

Intellectual honesty? You say that with a straight face in a comment about sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #119

What is intresting to me is that some people are obviously very uncomfortable with Dem grassroots' patrice Nov 2012 #79

What??? Can you say all that again in clear language because if you're sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #118

One of the things that distinguishes us from right wingers is our insistence on facts and evidence. stevenleser Nov 2012 #22

To be clear, it's very reasonable to ask for evidence before believing this - or anything MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #25

And I think it would be just as prudent for those that don't believe they were to prove that. teddy51 Nov 2012 #26

It doesnt work that way. You prove the positive, not the negative stevenleser Nov 2012 #31

Did you just make that up? teddy51 Nov 2012 #33

Nope. nt stevenleser Nov 2012 #35

A good explanation of how 'proofing the negative' is generally not possible. stevenleser Nov 2012 #38

It actually is possible to prove a negative, I just Googled it. teddy51 Nov 2012 #45

In rare exceptions. This is not one of them. nt stevenleser Nov 2012 #47

That was fun to watch n/t Coyotl Nov 2012 #87

He is a great speaker. I hope to get the chance to see him in person some day. nt stevenleser Nov 2012 #160

With the burden of proof on the people who made the claim that Anonymous did anything at all AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #75

Speaking as the Exception to this rule... cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #24

I'm equally skeptical of Ohio being a double-hack-o-rama. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #28

And then to build those deuling conspiracies on other, older conspiracies is suspicious Coyotl Nov 2012 #88

Election integrity is a real and very serious issue. pa28 Nov 2012 #27

Do we agree that it's cheapened even more by refusing to take steps MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #34

Absolutely. We need to take steps and we need to do it now. pa28 Nov 2012 #40

Karl Rove is Anonymous. Prove he isn't. graham4anything Nov 2012 #30

Anonymous is fine. The alleged letter in question is complete bullshit. phleshdef Nov 2012 #36

Anyone remember this guy and his testimony of writing software to flip votes? teddy51 Nov 2012 #39

Yes, I do remember. stevenleser Nov 2012 #46

Sooooooo META alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #42

bingo. .. . .n/t annabanana Nov 2012 #74

Regardless of what happened in Ohio, there is no excuse for the USA PufPuf23 Nov 2012 #54

I don't think Anonymous did anything in this election. Gore1FL Nov 2012 #55

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #57

Wouldn't ordinary evidence be enough in this case? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #97

The claim is very extraordinary RomneyLies Nov 2012 #105

I guess I don't understand the difference between ordinary proof and extradanary proof. ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #106

Well, getting more then precisely ZERO proof would be helpful RomneyLies Nov 2012 #109

I agree with that, but what is the difference between the two types of proofs? ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #112

Ordinary proof would still leave substantial room for doubt, but there is room for discussion. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #123

OK, I think I get it now. Thanks for the explanation. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #126

I appreciate that you took the time ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #165

Oh no, not that old 'kossack' worn out phrase here on DU. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #132

Thanks for enlightening me, its starting fit together and it makes sense. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #159

Yeah, where's the never ending diatribes against voter suppression? Hugin Nov 2012 #58

try using search. there have been scores and scores of threads about it. cali Nov 2012 #60

So, I have to search the archives? Hugin Nov 2012 #61

No, regularly reading the greatest threads page would be sufficient jeff47 Nov 2012 #117

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #59

At this point I think we should just start spamming these goofy Anon threads with that quote. phleshdef Nov 2012 #62

Personal Incredulity aside... MNBrewer Nov 2012 #63

"We hacked the planet! and saved Democracy but we can't prove it" is pretty damn extraordinary. phleshdef Nov 2012 #64

Wouldn't ordinary evidence be enough in this case? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #98

Any evidence at all would be a start Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #111

That doesn't explain what you mean by "extraordinary proof." nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #136

You are apparently a cultural illiterate Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #150

Does the article ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #164

No, peddling nutty conspiracy theories is offensive to rational people geek tragedy Nov 2012 #65

I don't need the evidence. noamnety Nov 2012 #66

Bingo! Its a Win Win. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #81

It is likely that the same gullible boobs Riftaxe Nov 2012 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Nov 2012 #68

I would hope that you're being sarcastic. cali Nov 2012 #71

You are right. That was over the top. I was trying to point out that CT deniers dont deny everything rhett o rick Nov 2012 #102

comparingOK, you've deleted your post calling DUers who don't buy cali Nov 2012 #149

Once again I agree that is was over the top. My frustration with deniers got the best of me. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #156

By the way. It really isnt necessary to personally attack me. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #103

What everybody seems to be overlooking is that Anonymous are *not* liberals starroute Nov 2012 #73

Awesome post!! I wish I'd written that. patrice Nov 2012 #80

Yes, why not? laundry_queen Nov 2012 #146

I need a lot more before I can believe it. InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #76

Great Post , you've got them running around the room with their hair on fire. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #82

"They demand proof, but..." ProSense Nov 2012 #83

Is it so terrible that some one claims something without proof , that makes people think about how bahrbearian Nov 2012 #85

"Is it so terrible that some one claims something without proof" ProSense Nov 2012 #89

Yes. jeff47 Nov 2012 #90

So since a Boy falsely cries Wolf , that means there are no Wolfs. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #93

It means crying wolf is not an effective way of creating change. jeff47 Nov 2012 #107

Please help me how did the story of " The Boy who cried Wolf " end? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #101

You do realize you can click the "edit" link on a post and add things as you think of them, right? jeff47 Nov 2012 #110

Gee ,I saw that you already replied and I didn't want you to miss another chance. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #114

You do realize the posts have a timestamp, right? jeff47 Nov 2012 #115

Alls you need now is a response from our in-house freeper , and I think you have a Full Boat. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #86

There are still two people who haven't started a thread with an opinion about the unprovable Coyotl Nov 2012 #92

Don't worry I already counted you. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #96

And this is a thread winner!!!! nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #99

Maybe they just don't want DU to look stupid? n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #120

DU will never look stupid making fun of Karl Rove. I am afraid of the opposite sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #124

Just because we hate Karl Rove doesn't make this particular story true. Ian David Nov 2012 #125

And just because a few people are running around like chickens sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #131

K&R midnight Nov 2012 #122

K&R !!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #129

I don't see a trolling problem here, TBH. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #142

Kicking just to piss off the assholes. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #143

Weird? Why, no, not really, Manny. Anonymous will be monitoring Democratic primaries for fraud Zorra Nov 2012 #144

Love that speech Zorra. Thanks for posting it. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #171

Yes. Unfortunately, RW wealthy private interests have a permanent interest in neutralizing the Zorra Nov 2012 #184

Lol, I love that graphic! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #185

Yep. K&R for REAL transparency. nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #147

du rec. nt xchrom Nov 2012 #151

Stop delegitimizing the amazing landslide re-election of President Obama.(as I predicted 4 yrs. back graham4anything Nov 2012 #152

So you are an election fraud denier then? You think Kerry 'lost' and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #169

No, Edwards was NOT a good choice. Had you known me then, you would know I thought so then graham4anything Nov 2012 #172

As I said, the fact that they won contradicts your argument. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #173

Kerry won? I was looking at my placemat of the president, and I don't see him listed graham4anything Nov 2012 #177

Are you having fun yet? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #180

are you saying Gore=Bush? graham4anything Nov 2012 #181

Why do you ask me what I'm saying, when I said is right in front of you? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #183

Methinks they doth protest too much, bvar22 Nov 2012 #166

Kick. nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #167