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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
51. They feel the same grievances but misattribute the causes AND solutions...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:57 PM
Jan 2024

Here is what you said:

Foreign wars? Helps the rich who own stock in military companies. The average American fights those wars and their taxes go to pay it. Illegal Immigration? Free trade? Both taking jobs from middle america. Again, helps the rich by suppressing wages. Deficit spending? Poor and middle class pay in the resulting inflation. The rich get richer because inflation increses hard asset value. Covid rules? Attack on freedom. The elites lied about the how bad it was and the prescription of staying inside cratered the economy and didn't do any good. Rich got richer with massive subsidies aimed primarily at businesses.

It is a crooked game run by a bunch of con artists. Democrats are the worst, but RINO's are right behind them. Everyone is getting rich off the government teat at the expense of average hard working Americans. Trump, for all his flaws, is better than that lot. Can't be worse.


Democrats are the worst? Why? I am a Democrat, but primarily because the Democratic Party might be more workable, not because they are flawless. I do see a problem with money capturing some within the entire system. Here is where they go wrong however. Donald Trump couldn't be worse? He is the epitome of the corruption within the system. Conservatives WANT inequality because they see inequality as the "natural order" because some people are inherently BETTER than others. With humans there is no NATURAL ORDER, while we are animals and live within nature (like bears, tigers, chimpanzees, etc...) our fundamental NATURE is to adapt our surroundings around us. Civilization isn't natural. Capitalism, Communism, Monarchy, Democracy, etc... none of it is NATURAL.

People with power tend to want to stay in power and increase that power and wealth. What right wingers tend to get wrong is they think that Democrats are playing this elaborate game where they bring in immigrants, give them benefits, in order to create "voters" even when people who come in without documentation CANNOT vote and DO NOT vote. There is a much simpler answer that they refuse to see. Wealthy people influence everyone to legislate in ways that will keep them wealthy. They try to capture BOTH sides, but because Democrats/Liberals/Progressives have a deeper notion that everyone deserves equal dignity and a chance to succeed, Democrats try to work within the system to distribute the benefits of society more equitably and to try to remove some of the barriers for people who are marginalized.

Trump is not trying to change the system. At all. He is trying to capitalize on the system to enrich himself and people who are loyal to him. He doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. Everything is a transaction.

I agree with you that calling people names is silly and unproductive. I also think that these people are FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG about the root causes of the problems. They are falling for the framing that "there is not enough to go around" and that Democrats see it only as a game of power. Democrats for better or worse are trying to solve problems. In my opinion, they are working within a system that is flawed and which will always lead back to inequality, but they are at least trying while the other side, including Donald Trump thinks that inequality and suffering are "just fine" and are actually setting the disadvantaged against each other while they hoard all of the wealth and benefits of society.

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Screw fluoride in the water DemMedic Jan 2024 #1
I think you need to rethink your thinking on this MagickMuffin Jan 2024 #5
Yes, it would affect absolutely everyone. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #18
You are right I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #53
I hear you, and I absolutely understand the frustration of which you speak. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #64
Don't beat yourself up Shaz. We all have our triggers, lol. Mine is when people insist Maru Kitteh Jan 2024 #67
I think they were just trying to make a point. None of us would ever do any of these things Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #65
Oh, good grief! It was CLEARLY a joke, and a funny one at that! . . . markpkessinger Jan 2024 #26
Perhaps you need to get a better sense humor MagickMuffin Jan 2024 #32
Lol. No kidding! lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #8
I live in a red state. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #27
This was clearly a facetious comment . markpkessinger Jan 2024 #30
Brilliant? No. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #39
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot... nycbos Jan 2024 #31
Maybe thorazine will make them I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #52
I would err towards psilocybin. mwooldri Jan 2024 #70
My theory is that many Americans should drink less and take more laxatives struggle4progress Jan 2024 #2
"He's just like us!" NameAlreadyTaken Jan 2024 #3
And he hates "the blacks". Traildogbob Jan 2024 #4
Apparently not all blacks NT Tickle Jan 2024 #21
We could put it like this BaronChocula Jan 2024 #38
Just for fun, I am introducing a nature/nurture aspect to the discussion Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #6
I wouldn't be surprised to find empathy is structural. lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #9
You don't think some/many people are actually empathetic? Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #24
Empathy describes three somewhat different things Metaphorical Jan 2024 #45
One thing I do know I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #55
Twin Studies strongly suggest that it is BOTH to varying degrees. Caliman73 Jan 2024 #16
Same reason Matthew28 Jan 2024 #7
Dumb thugs. moondust Jan 2024 #10
Or maybe it's because MAGAts are assholes EYESORE 9001 Jan 2024 #11
That still leads to more "Why" questions. Why are they assholes? Can anything be done to mitigate that? Caliman73 Jan 2024 #17
They spent too many years listening to Rush Limbaugh, then Fox news. They bathed in an environment of hate and fear. SharonAnn Jan 2024 #33
True. That definitely gives them focus based on misattribution ... Caliman73 Jan 2024 #46
Teaching the public I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #59
In a nutshell: "He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting"! keep_left Jan 2024 #12
WTF??? calimary Jan 2024 #19
In other words, they're pissed when Trump doesn't move heaven and earth... keep_left Jan 2024 #22
Wow. That's classic! What a response to the realization KPN Jan 2024 #23
I recall that the article got some attention at the time (2019) from Maddow... keep_left Jan 2024 #28
This is why I love Cuba and my/our family there. Marcus IM Jan 2024 #13
Just Wondering Cherokee100 Jan 2024 #14
Pretty much describes capitalism ... Marcus IM Jan 2024 #15
lol jesus christ it's not that deep. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #20
I think the question is what does he say, do or represent that is so attractive hueymahl Jan 2024 #34
He says cruel, bigoted things and people like it because they feel the same way because they believe being WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #47
Is it really that simple? hueymahl Jan 2024 #57
When it comes to voting, yes. People vote for candidates who do or say things or act in a way they like. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #60
Some peoples I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #61
SIMPLE: Since the 1960s, Republicans have been actively working to destroy the public education system TygrBright Jan 2024 #25
I believe MAGAts are miserable, mean, angry people. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #29
Meanwhile, over on "RepubicanUnderground" hueymahl Jan 2024 #42
Who called them names? MontanaMama Jan 2024 #63
Not much of a stretch from MAGA to narcissistic personalities Raven123 Jan 2024 #35
Interesting and possibly useful nuxvomica Jan 2024 #36
Yeah, it kind of boils down to "me" vs "us". The "us" KPN Jan 2024 #43
Stupid people like to worship narcissists. Rizen Jan 2024 #37
A lot of people missing the point of this post hueymahl Jan 2024 #40
They feel the same grievances but misattribute the causes AND solutions... Caliman73 Jan 2024 #51
I think we are saying the same thing hueymahl Jan 2024 #56
They have been conditioned by religion and authoritarian JCMach1 Jan 2024 #41
There is no CONTINUED rise of Trump, other than of his vigorously crafted media illusion that there is one. Rocknation Jan 2024 #44
Let me summarize. WarGamer Jan 2024 #48
Nah, That's a Symptom. It's just Unreconciled Childhood Trauma Beetwasher. Jan 2024 #49
;-{) Goonch Jan 2024 #50
They're a KKKult of ignorant, racist fuckheads Orrex Jan 2024 #54
Whatever the explanation, I'll never understand what they see in this Blue Owl Jan 2024 #58
Trump was the populist right-wing hate radio hero they were waiting for. betsuni Jan 2024 #62
I really don't give a shit about 'understanding' magats GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #66
Title of article a little misleading Hahn_Bikey Jan 2024 #68
I take issue with the term "continued rise" SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #69
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