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Nevilledog

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4. Men won't care about women losing bodily autonomy until they're also affected.

Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:27 PM

Mar 2024

Seems like it's a visceral reaction to keeping men's rights intact even though this bill only talks about convicted sex offenders.

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Vasectomy bill proposed in response to Louisiana's abortion ban [View all] Nevilledog Mar 2024 OP

I'm not a philosopher... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #1

You're not a philosopher, but are you a woman? intheflow Mar 2024 #2

+1 Omnipresent Mar 2024 #27

I agree, let's do more. Ban viagra and mandate vasectomies. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #30

Forced sterilization is unethical. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #32

Then a rapist might think twice before acting SouthernDem4ever Mar 2024 #37

Proponents of the death penalty use the same argumentation. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #41

Not a death penalty... charliea Mar 2024 #49

Vasectomies are reversible. LisaM Mar 2024 #46

And if a wrongful conviction is never overturned? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #48

Yes, it's still reversable. intheflow Mar 2024 #53

Oh, okay. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #56

I remember that wise saying. intheflow Mar 2024 #65

Where in the galloping fuck did I ever intimate that sex offenders should be tolerated? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #67

Men rape women. intheflow Mar 2024 #71

I would call it forced birth control, not sterilization. LisaM Mar 2024 #59

They are sometimes reversible . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #75

Okay, then. They can sue the government for wrongful punishment if they're actually not guilty of rape. intheflow Mar 2024 #81

try carrying a baby to et tu Mar 2024 #47

THIS. calimary Mar 2024 #63

Then the few men that caught, tried and convicted as sex offender will have to have vasectomies. intheflow Mar 2024 #50

If it does, then don't commit rape in Louisiana? Crunchy Frog Mar 2024 #78

Forced pregnancy for a girl or woman is unethical. Bluepinky Mar 2024 #91

And what about recitivism of rapists? Ilsa Mar 2024 #92

Best post of the day. Stop rape and incest, or sterilize sex criminals and allow abortion. marble falls Mar 2024 #52

I agree it doesn't go far enough. soldierant Mar 2024 #64

It doesn't go far enough by a long shot. Alliepoo Mar 2024 #82

Men won't care about women losing bodily autonomy until they're also affected. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #4

A vasectomy doesn't have any impact on one's ability to engage in sexual assault. brooklynite Mar 2024 #8

Correct, but pray tell what would it accomplish? boston bean Mar 2024 #12

It would protect women from being forced to give birth Demobrat Mar 2024 #35

Post #7 has a solution for that Hekate Mar 2024 #13

Yeah, but the raped woman doesn't then have to carry his baby MadameButterfly Mar 2024 #23

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #36

While I'm not a fan of this I do like the idea of vasectomies for all over the are of 13. Hope22 Mar 2024 #10

Red states like Louisiana not only want to force birth even when it KILLS the woman, they also.. Hekate Mar 2024 #11

How can they shut down travel to another state for an abortion? How would they know? CTyankee Mar 2024 #54

Texas passed a snitch law straight away. Then there's a bunch of redneck cops in my own California Hekate Mar 2024 #70

Was the Civil War abolishing slavery another two wrongs don't make a right? Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #31

That's not a great analogy. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #33

Changing my question so you can win is a weak argument. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #34

Demonstrating why your argument was weak was weak argumentation on my part? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #38

That's a weak question. intheflow Mar 2024 #66

It is in fact a perfect analogy. I'm sorry you have not been paying attention over the past few years. Hekate Mar 2024 #74

Why change the subject. Hope22 Mar 2024 #57

any politician that votes for an abortion ban should be sterilized..... moonshinegnomie Mar 2024 #43

Twice! Hope22 Mar 2024 #58

What part of offering a bill as a protest don't you understand? xmas74 Mar 2024 #80

Not a fan. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #3

It won't pass, but maybe it will make some men consider what it's like to lose bodily autonomy. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #5

The bill is only for sexual predators, and while that's a legal designation, there are a lot of men out there who WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #6

I disagree. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #9

Do they ever connect that with other people losing their autonomy? or is it only for themselves? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #14

I've seen both. "Men should be inviolate" vs. "I've done nothing wrong so it doesn't apply" Nevilledog Mar 2024 #18

My question is, do either of those thoughts get them to "OH! I guess it's wrong if we do it to women, too, and I will WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #19

Not usually. The misogyny is strong and the cognitive dissonance is stronger. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #20

Yeah so in the end that's why I'm not a fan of these kinds of bills/sentiments. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #21

I understand. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #24

Still, the statement is worth making MadameButterfly Mar 2024 #25

Which makes it even crazier. Hope22 Mar 2024 #17

Some people -- men-people -- have no idea just how angry we are at being tossed back 200 years Hekate Mar 2024 #15

Not far enough. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #7

Rape anyone you lose your penis! Nittersing Mar 2024 #16

I would think castration would be the route to take. LiberalFighter Mar 2024 #22

Castrates can still rape. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #28

Less likely to rape if chemical castration is used. pazzyanne Mar 2024 #60

Add blow jobs............................ Lovie777 Mar 2024 #26

So that means guys in LA can go out and continue no_hypocrisy Mar 2024 #29

Of course not, but it's a start. SouthernDem4ever Mar 2024 #40

There is no law that prevents rape Mossfern Mar 2024 #55

I just want to say that I am embarrassed by the lack of understanding and empathy shown out here. Hope22 Mar 2024 #62

patriarchy seems to be et tu Mar 2024 #73

I don't know why it surprises me but US women are in real trouble. Hope22 Mar 2024 #79

Yeah, this whole thread has me wondering about all the men I know. intheflow Mar 2024 #85

Hmmmm... Hope22 Mar 2024 #86

You too, Hope! intheflow Mar 2024 #89

The Dobbs decision opened this door nuxvomica Mar 2024 #39

Thank you for this. What many don't seem to consider... littlemissmartypants Mar 2024 #61

By that logic, perhaps an amendment is in order. I'm thinking that if a man wants viagra, PatrickforB Mar 2024 #42

Make it applicable to all men as potential accomplices in crime bucolic_frolic Mar 2024 #44

good idea bdamomma Mar 2024 #45

Disarm the rapist. OMGWTF Mar 2024 #51

*snip* I see what you did there LOL Takket Mar 2024 #68

A guillotine-style chastity belt would take care of things. Talitha Mar 2024 #69

Except they're so damn uncomfortable! intheflow Mar 2024 #77

As long as the punishment is equal for both sexes. roamer65 Mar 2024 #72

Think long and hard before you decide to employ doctors as agents of the penal state . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #76

As opposed to Drs performing c-sections on abortable fetuses without consent? Nevilledog Mar 2024 #83

A review of instances of forced sterilization shows intheflow Mar 2024 #84

Do you really believe Louisiana won't use this for ethnic sterilization? ripcord Mar 2024 #87

Do you really this has a snowball's chance in hell of passing in Louisiana? intheflow Mar 2024 #88

This won't protect her daughter at a party with a future Supreme Court Justice! Hope22 Mar 2024 #90