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charliea

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49. Not a death penalty...

Thu Mar 21, 2024, 04:35 PM

Mar 2024

Louisiana law has already dehumanized women by removing their agency to chose. Being demoted to incubator status if you get pregnant (whether or not the fetus is viable), is already affecting innocent lives. The removal of potential threats to the well being of reproductive age women, given Louisiana's draconian law, would seem advisable.

To stay penalties for a conviction, that's an appeal.

What research do you cite for "...the criminal justice system routinely convicts innocents..."

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Vasectomy bill proposed in response to Louisiana's abortion ban [View all] Nevilledog Mar 2024 OP

I'm not a philosopher... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #1

You're not a philosopher, but are you a woman? intheflow Mar 2024 #2

+1 Omnipresent Mar 2024 #27

I agree, let's do more. Ban viagra and mandate vasectomies. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #30

Forced sterilization is unethical. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #32

Then a rapist might think twice before acting SouthernDem4ever Mar 2024 #37

Proponents of the death penalty use the same argumentation. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #41

Not a death penalty... charliea Mar 2024 #49

Vasectomies are reversible. LisaM Mar 2024 #46

And if a wrongful conviction is never overturned? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #48

Yes, it's still reversable. intheflow Mar 2024 #53

Oh, okay. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #56

I remember that wise saying. intheflow Mar 2024 #65

Where in the galloping fuck did I ever intimate that sex offenders should be tolerated? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #67

Men rape women. intheflow Mar 2024 #71

I would call it forced birth control, not sterilization. LisaM Mar 2024 #59

They are sometimes reversible . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #75

Okay, then. They can sue the government for wrongful punishment if they're actually not guilty of rape. intheflow Mar 2024 #81

try carrying a baby to et tu Mar 2024 #47

THIS. calimary Mar 2024 #63

Then the few men that caught, tried and convicted as sex offender will have to have vasectomies. intheflow Mar 2024 #50

If it does, then don't commit rape in Louisiana? Crunchy Frog Mar 2024 #78

Forced pregnancy for a girl or woman is unethical. Bluepinky Mar 2024 #91

And what about recitivism of rapists? Ilsa Mar 2024 #92

Best post of the day. Stop rape and incest, or sterilize sex criminals and allow abortion. marble falls Mar 2024 #52

I agree it doesn't go far enough. soldierant Mar 2024 #64

It doesn't go far enough by a long shot. Alliepoo Mar 2024 #82

Men won't care about women losing bodily autonomy until they're also affected. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #4

A vasectomy doesn't have any impact on one's ability to engage in sexual assault. brooklynite Mar 2024 #8

Correct, but pray tell what would it accomplish? boston bean Mar 2024 #12

It would protect women from being forced to give birth Demobrat Mar 2024 #35

Post #7 has a solution for that Hekate Mar 2024 #13

Yeah, but the raped woman doesn't then have to carry his baby MadameButterfly Mar 2024 #23

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #36

While I'm not a fan of this I do like the idea of vasectomies for all over the are of 13. Hope22 Mar 2024 #10

Red states like Louisiana not only want to force birth even when it KILLS the woman, they also.. Hekate Mar 2024 #11

How can they shut down travel to another state for an abortion? How would they know? CTyankee Mar 2024 #54

Texas passed a snitch law straight away. Then there's a bunch of redneck cops in my own California Hekate Mar 2024 #70

Was the Civil War abolishing slavery another two wrongs don't make a right? Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #31

That's not a great analogy. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #33

Changing my question so you can win is a weak argument. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #34

Demonstrating why your argument was weak was weak argumentation on my part? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #38

That's a weak question. intheflow Mar 2024 #66

It is in fact a perfect analogy. I'm sorry you have not been paying attention over the past few years. Hekate Mar 2024 #74

Why change the subject. Hope22 Mar 2024 #57

any politician that votes for an abortion ban should be sterilized..... moonshinegnomie Mar 2024 #43

Twice! Hope22 Mar 2024 #58

What part of offering a bill as a protest don't you understand? xmas74 Mar 2024 #80

Not a fan. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #3

It won't pass, but maybe it will make some men consider what it's like to lose bodily autonomy. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #5

The bill is only for sexual predators, and while that's a legal designation, there are a lot of men out there who WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #6

I disagree. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #9

Do they ever connect that with other people losing their autonomy? or is it only for themselves? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #14

I've seen both. "Men should be inviolate" vs. "I've done nothing wrong so it doesn't apply" Nevilledog Mar 2024 #18

My question is, do either of those thoughts get them to "OH! I guess it's wrong if we do it to women, too, and I will WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #19

Not usually. The misogyny is strong and the cognitive dissonance is stronger. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #20

Yeah so in the end that's why I'm not a fan of these kinds of bills/sentiments. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #21

I understand. Nevilledog Mar 2024 #24

Still, the statement is worth making MadameButterfly Mar 2024 #25

Which makes it even crazier. Hope22 Mar 2024 #17

Some people -- men-people -- have no idea just how angry we are at being tossed back 200 years Hekate Mar 2024 #15

Not far enough. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #7

Rape anyone you lose your penis! Nittersing Mar 2024 #16

I would think castration would be the route to take. LiberalFighter Mar 2024 #22

Castrates can still rape. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #28

Less likely to rape if chemical castration is used. pazzyanne Mar 2024 #60

Add blow jobs............................ Lovie777 Mar 2024 #26

So that means guys in LA can go out and continue no_hypocrisy Mar 2024 #29

Of course not, but it's a start. SouthernDem4ever Mar 2024 #40

There is no law that prevents rape Mossfern Mar 2024 #55

I just want to say that I am embarrassed by the lack of understanding and empathy shown out here. Hope22 Mar 2024 #62

patriarchy seems to be et tu Mar 2024 #73

I don't know why it surprises me but US women are in real trouble. Hope22 Mar 2024 #79

Yeah, this whole thread has me wondering about all the men I know. intheflow Mar 2024 #85

Hmmmm... Hope22 Mar 2024 #86

You too, Hope! intheflow Mar 2024 #89

The Dobbs decision opened this door nuxvomica Mar 2024 #39

Thank you for this. What many don't seem to consider... littlemissmartypants Mar 2024 #61

By that logic, perhaps an amendment is in order. I'm thinking that if a man wants viagra, PatrickforB Mar 2024 #42

Make it applicable to all men as potential accomplices in crime bucolic_frolic Mar 2024 #44

good idea bdamomma Mar 2024 #45

Disarm the rapist. OMGWTF Mar 2024 #51

*snip* I see what you did there LOL Takket Mar 2024 #68

A guillotine-style chastity belt would take care of things. Talitha Mar 2024 #69

Except they're so damn uncomfortable! intheflow Mar 2024 #77

As long as the punishment is equal for both sexes. roamer65 Mar 2024 #72

Think long and hard before you decide to employ doctors as agents of the penal state . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #76

As opposed to Drs performing c-sections on abortable fetuses without consent? Nevilledog Mar 2024 #83

A review of instances of forced sterilization shows intheflow Mar 2024 #84

Do you really believe Louisiana won't use this for ethnic sterilization? ripcord Mar 2024 #87

Do you really this has a snowball's chance in hell of passing in Louisiana? intheflow Mar 2024 #88

This won't protect her daughter at a party with a future Supreme Court Justice! Hope22 Mar 2024 #90