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cab67

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Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:16 PM Mar 29

Had a "discussion" on Facebook with a Jill Stein supporter earlier today. [View all]

There was no talking sense Into him. Would a multi-party parliamentary system be better than what we have? I don't know; maybe. But we have the system we have. A third-party candidate will not win, and in this particular case, the wasted votes would otherwise go to the Democratic candidate.

Voting for a third-party candidate is an extremely selfish act, especially when Orange Julius Skeezer stands a real chance of winning.

It was like arguing with a red-hatter. Or arguing with a rock.

I just can't wrap my head around the view that Joe Biden and Moses Pray's cranky old uncle are insufficiently different. Some of these people give every indication of being able to read and write. Surely, they can see that no Democrat would have appointed a justice to the Supreme Court who would have voted to overturn Roe v Wade? Surely, they see that the ACA, despite its imperfections, is better than what we had before, and that people would suffer if it's ever repealed? Surely, they see that although Biden can (and should) take a harder line with Netanyahu, he's at least not interested in helping Putin conquer Ukraine? Surely they know the difference between someone not acting fast enough on climate change and someone who doesn't think climate is actually changing?

The only way I'll find a candidate who reflects my values perfectly is if I run for office myself. And I'd rather French-kiss a Humboldt squid than do that. Like most adults, I've come to peace with the fact that in the US system, our parties are the coalitions made by multiple parties in other countries, and that I have to put the common good ahead of my disagreements.

I don't get it. We all have our values and opinions, but no one should put their own ideological purity above the well-being of the whole damn world.

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Was he on a unicorn searching for bigfoot? lame54 Mar 29 #1
Alas - cab67 Mar 29 #6
There are a lot of people out there who are just smart enough to think that they are smart enough. Aristus Mar 29 #2
If he's in a dark blue or dark red state it won't matter. Sky Jewels Mar 29 #3
I actually don't know which state he's from. cab67 Mar 29 #5
Yeah, if he wants to get Sucked in by Stein's LIES.. so Cha Mar 29 #11
This is my biggest issue with the Electoral College TexasBushwhacker Mar 30 #54
You don't send anybody a message by losing elections Walleye Mar 29 #4
Great way of stating the fact. cab67 Mar 29 #13
But you may get some more rubles deposited in your off-shore account. erronis Mar 30 #55
They're MAGAts who don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit it in public. onecaliberal Mar 29 #7
To defend this loser for a moment - cab67 Mar 29 #14
there is zero ideal about Jill Stein but NoRethugFriends Mar 29 #29
They have every excuse in the world shrike3 Mar 29 #8
Bernie would of won BunkieBandit Mar 29 #10
NO he Wouldn't have. Cha Mar 29 #12
I lean towards he at least could have in a change election. TheKentuckian Mar 29 #24
I read profiles. lapucelle Mar 30 #48
Mahalo to you, Lapucelle! Cha Mar 30 #50
TSF would have actually won in a landslide NanaCat Mar 29 #16
When and who was this that Sanders did this to? Celerity Mar 29 #21
"Sanders was speaking to supporters in Boston Sunday when he was asked how a woman betsuni Mar 29 #25
That is not what the other poster claimed, and I 100 per cent agree with what Sanders said. Celerity Mar 29 #30
Wonderful response and a great set of resources erronis Mar 30 #56
He was right. TheKentuckian Mar 30 #36
No Democrats ran on "I'm a _____ , vote for me" and nothing else, no economic message, in 2016. That's the point. betsuni Mar 30 #37
They managed to get some Americans to believe Biden is a socialist. shrike3 Mar 29 #28
Why "democratic socialism" was redefined as FDR/LBJ liberal Democratic policies and people started betsuni Mar 30 #39
Bernie couldn't win Rincewind Mar 30 #45
Welcome to DU! lapucelle Mar 30 #47
Show him this pic UpInArms Mar 29 #9
Tried that. cab67 Mar 29 #15
Tell him he's no liberal, then NanaCat Mar 29 #17
Yeah, the far left supports Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Yet Joe Biden is "Genocide Joe"..Go figure. LeftInTX Mar 29 #18
Because we are seeing dead & limbless kids from Palestine on our phones everyday womanofthehills Mar 29 #22
I've seen the images. cab67 Mar 29 #23
I met two women JustAnotherGen Mar 29 #33
IT's NOT Pres Biden's falut. They need to Cha Mar 30 #44
We see only the images we choose to see. yardwork Mar 30 #46
Here in WI in '16, Jill Stein received more votes than Trump's margin of victory. elocs Mar 29 #19
It wasn't just Wisconsin. In every critical swing state in 2016, Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein JohnSJ Mar 29 #27
Yes, Hillary says Trump had roughly the same number of votes as Romney in Wisconsin, no surge in betsuni Mar 29 #31
I think that Feingold ran an uninspired campaign in his rematch against Johnson in '16 elocs Mar 30 #53
So confident in their ideological purity that others are not only wrong but enemies. betsuni Mar 29 #20
To put it bluntly they are f**ked up in the head, and have absolutely no critical thinking skills. They are losers, and JohnSJ Mar 29 #26
The only Jill Stein voter I've ever known was crazy. barbaraann Mar 29 #32
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Please don't push right wing talking points with right wing language. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 30 #41
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Hi KS Toronado Mar 30 #38
... Cha Mar 30 #49
Pretty sure that was our anti-vaxer from Chicago. KS Toronado Mar 30 #51
Prety Sure you are RIght! Cha Mar 30 #52
Stein sure had people here in 2016 throwing money at her for her fake recount MichMan Mar 30 #35
No doubt about it, she suckered people into that one JohnSJ Mar 30 #42
That surprised me -- why anyone trusted her. betsuni Mar 30 #43
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