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Celerity

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33. Prices aren't just about supply and demand. They're about control over supply and demand.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 12:02 AM
Apr 2024
The limited economy of a Prisoner of War camp offers lessons about the real economy, and the shortcomings of orthodox models

https://dougaldlamont.substack.com/p/prices-arent-just-about-supply-and

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Implications of control over supply and demand

This extra wrinkle of control over supply and demand is significant. Often it’s assumed that there are so many players in the market that competition will keep prices in check. That “equlibrium” is an assumption that there are forces in the market that will moderate excess - that the market is self-balancing. This is the argument against regulation or government intervention. For example, it might be assumed that if supply shrinks, that prices will increase, which will reduce demand because fewer people can afford it, which will lead to a rebound in supply - which means prices will drop again. This seems intuitively correct. But there are many other possibilities that happen when you recognize that you are paying that person (or organization) for the rights to something, not for the thing.

There’s another possibility, however. Imagine that there is a demand for a specific luxury good - say, ivory from elephant tusks. As more and more elephants are hunted for their tusks as trophies, the supply dwindles and the price goes up. But instead of reducing demand, more poachers may enter the market, because the high value of the tusks means they can make more with less work. The cost of the good is not related to its real-world rareness, but to the cost of paying people to obtain it, which may be high or low.

The idea of price equilibrium is that the market will intervene through competition, or creative destruction, or technology, in ways that bring a distorted market back to balance. However, the reality of concentration of power means that those differences in bargaining power and market share can be, and are used to keep prices skewed, and keep people at a permanent disadvantage. It’s why the growing concentration of wealth, of more and more companies owned by fewer and fewer conglomerates, is an issue that has been confronted in the past with what Americans call “Anti-Trust” and what Canadians call “Anti-combine” law.

The reason for doing that is because at a certain point, monopolies and oligopolies will continue to distort the market in ways that reduce the total productive capacity and potential of the economy. Because the idea of returning to equilibrium requires there be an actual, real-world mechanism that rebalances exchanges between buyer and seller, not just a mathematical formula that assumes it. So, why is this important? Well, it’s because of the assumptions that are built into the too-simple idea of supply and demand alone. There’s an idea that the market works properly because it overwhelms or overrides other personal factors............

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We are being played [View all] angrychair Apr 2024 OP
It's greed, and nothing else . . . hatrack Apr 2024 #1
Not just because they can, but also to help Trump re-occupy the Oval Office B.See Apr 2024 #3
Who owns the biggest refinery in the US? Why, the Saudis, of course!! hatrack Apr 2024 #14
Doesn't even have to be that obviously nefarious... Shipwack Apr 2024 #44
The fix is already in. jaxexpat Apr 2024 #47
Not a coincidence that there was a story johnnyfins Apr 2024 #17
I thought president Biden put a 15 percent mandatory tax on all corporations jimfields33 Apr 2024 #29
Time to enforce the Sherman anti-trust Act. Bluethroughu Apr 2024 #26
We could start with Unilever. Ligyron Apr 2024 #31
These companies make the early 20th Century robber barrons Bluethroughu Apr 2024 #32
But capitalism IS the cancer... Nutty Putty Apr 2024 #38
This is what enables the price gouging more than any other one thing. What drives it is greed and KPN Apr 2024 #51
I agree stage left Apr 2024 #58
Break up corporations that own more than two businesses. k55f5r Apr 2024 #60
Start with that and go to the micro-level and find out if Bluethroughu Apr 2024 #63
'corporations are screwing the consumer and price gouging' elleng Apr 2024 #2
Why is this suddenly a new concern? Think. Again. Apr 2024 #4
This is not a "new" concern with anyone I know. democrank Apr 2024 #10
The supply and demand aspect of capitalism IS simplistic... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #11
This is true in a limited sense angrychair Apr 2024 #12
True... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #16
"There's no denying that Americans in general do have a serious shopping addiction though." llmart Apr 2024 #21
Like Comcast billing $15 per month for all services into over $200 per month Stargazer99 Apr 2024 #54
You are exactly correct MacKasey Apr 2024 #20
Prices aren't just about supply and demand. They're about control over supply and demand. Celerity Apr 2024 #33
Excellent article. KPN Apr 2024 #55
New concern? Where have you been? Capitalism has been runnig amok since the 80s with KPN Apr 2024 #52
That was my point... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #53
Maybe because it has gotten out of hand and is reaching a tipping point., The homeless problem KPN Apr 2024 #56
I agree with everything you've said. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #59
We are not only being played by the corporations FreeForm73 Apr 2024 #5
I imagine the CEOs know that inflation is hurting Biden and they would probably prefer a LymphocyteLover Apr 2024 #25
It's Not Just Profit ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #6
"Greedflation" for sure. nt oasis Apr 2024 #36
The only way to stop this... orwell Apr 2024 #7
Corporations are screwing their suppliers too Auggie Apr 2024 #8
Let's also consider that contributing to a 401k or IRA benefits the corporate world. Part of the plan. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #9
When the old farmer where I buy surplus eggs raises his prices by 50%, it's more than just large corporations. Silent Type Apr 2024 #13
A bird flu outbreak at the largest U.S. chicken egg producer could affect egg prices Xipe Totec Apr 2024 #19
Always Abstractartist Apr 2024 #15
Not just for profit, soldierant Apr 2024 #18
I've been saying the same...nt Trueblue Texan Apr 2024 #22
I have as well... and for a long time. But, it has been kind of a lone voice. OldBaldy1701E Apr 2024 #65
2 years ago Mr. Evil Apr 2024 #23
I've been thinking it was corporations seeking to recover lost-sales in the pandemic Model35mech Apr 2024 #24
Should we send in the Marines to attack the economy? Patton French Apr 2024 #27
Exactly! But they want to blame Biden, instead iluvtennis Apr 2024 #28
Indeed ck4829 Apr 2024 #50
K&R spanone Apr 2024 #30
K&R ck4829 Apr 2024 #34
When media, food, travel, etc AllyCat Apr 2024 #35
Yep ck4829 Apr 2024 #49
The trouble with inflation is everything adjusts and readjusts bucolic_frolic Apr 2024 #37
I (not in the U.S.) payed the equivalent of three dollars for three tiny tomatoes today,. betsuni Apr 2024 #39
The corporatocracy wants Republican rule, in spite of the economic facts against Republicans. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2024 #40
.1% Johnny2X2X Apr 2024 #41
Americans will bitch, but they will not be inconvenienced. Magoo48 Apr 2024 #42
High prices everywhere PennRalphie Apr 2024 #43
Yep. PCIntern Apr 2024 #45
sinflation poozwah Apr 2024 #46
Good one ck4829 Apr 2024 #48
They are taking advantage of us as much as is possible. pandr32 Apr 2024 #57
And ignorant blame Biden liberal N proud Apr 2024 #61
They did a study kwijybo Apr 2024 #62
K&R uponit7771 Apr 2024 #64
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