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In reply to the discussion: We are being played [View all]Celerity
(46,154 posts)33. Prices aren't just about supply and demand. They're about control over supply and demand.
The limited economy of a Prisoner of War camp offers lessons about the real economy, and the shortcomings of orthodox models
https://dougaldlamont.substack.com/p/prices-arent-just-about-supply-and
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Implications of control over supply and demand
This extra wrinkle of control over supply and demand is significant. Often its assumed that there are so many players in the market that competition will keep prices in check. That equlibrium is an assumption that there are forces in the market that will moderate excess - that the market is self-balancing. This is the argument against regulation or government intervention. For example, it might be assumed that if supply shrinks, that prices will increase, which will reduce demand because fewer people can afford it, which will lead to a rebound in supply - which means prices will drop again. This seems intuitively correct. But there are many other possibilities that happen when you recognize that you are paying that person (or organization) for the rights to something, not for the thing.
Theres another possibility, however. Imagine that there is a demand for a specific luxury good - say, ivory from elephant tusks. As more and more elephants are hunted for their tusks as trophies, the supply dwindles and the price goes up. But instead of reducing demand, more poachers may enter the market, because the high value of the tusks means they can make more with less work. The cost of the good is not related to its real-world rareness, but to the cost of paying people to obtain it, which may be high or low.
The idea of price equilibrium is that the market will intervene through competition, or creative destruction, or technology, in ways that bring a distorted market back to balance. However, the reality of concentration of power means that those differences in bargaining power and market share can be, and are used to keep prices skewed, and keep people at a permanent disadvantage. Its why the growing concentration of wealth, of more and more companies owned by fewer and fewer conglomerates, is an issue that has been confronted in the past with what Americans call Anti-Trust and what Canadians call Anti-combine law.
The reason for doing that is because at a certain point, monopolies and oligopolies will continue to distort the market in ways that reduce the total productive capacity and potential of the economy. Because the idea of returning to equilibrium requires there be an actual, real-world mechanism that rebalances exchanges between buyer and seller, not just a mathematical formula that assumes it. So, why is this important? Well, its because of the assumptions that are built into the too-simple idea of supply and demand alone. Theres an idea that the market works properly because it overwhelms or overrides other personal factors............
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https://dougaldlamont.substack.com/p/prices-arent-just-about-supply-and
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Implications of control over supply and demand
This extra wrinkle of control over supply and demand is significant. Often its assumed that there are so many players in the market that competition will keep prices in check. That equlibrium is an assumption that there are forces in the market that will moderate excess - that the market is self-balancing. This is the argument against regulation or government intervention. For example, it might be assumed that if supply shrinks, that prices will increase, which will reduce demand because fewer people can afford it, which will lead to a rebound in supply - which means prices will drop again. This seems intuitively correct. But there are many other possibilities that happen when you recognize that you are paying that person (or organization) for the rights to something, not for the thing.
Theres another possibility, however. Imagine that there is a demand for a specific luxury good - say, ivory from elephant tusks. As more and more elephants are hunted for their tusks as trophies, the supply dwindles and the price goes up. But instead of reducing demand, more poachers may enter the market, because the high value of the tusks means they can make more with less work. The cost of the good is not related to its real-world rareness, but to the cost of paying people to obtain it, which may be high or low.
The idea of price equilibrium is that the market will intervene through competition, or creative destruction, or technology, in ways that bring a distorted market back to balance. However, the reality of concentration of power means that those differences in bargaining power and market share can be, and are used to keep prices skewed, and keep people at a permanent disadvantage. Its why the growing concentration of wealth, of more and more companies owned by fewer and fewer conglomerates, is an issue that has been confronted in the past with what Americans call Anti-Trust and what Canadians call Anti-combine law.
The reason for doing that is because at a certain point, monopolies and oligopolies will continue to distort the market in ways that reduce the total productive capacity and potential of the economy. Because the idea of returning to equilibrium requires there be an actual, real-world mechanism that rebalances exchanges between buyer and seller, not just a mathematical formula that assumes it. So, why is this important? Well, its because of the assumptions that are built into the too-simple idea of supply and demand alone. Theres an idea that the market works properly because it overwhelms or overrides other personal factors............
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I thought president Biden put a 15 percent mandatory tax on all corporations
jimfields33
Apr 2024
#29
This is what enables the price gouging more than any other one thing. What drives it is greed and
KPN
Apr 2024
#51
"There's no denying that Americans in general do have a serious shopping addiction though."
llmart
Apr 2024
#21
Like Comcast billing $15 per month for all services into over $200 per month
Stargazer99
Apr 2024
#54
Prices aren't just about supply and demand. They're about control over supply and demand.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#33
New concern? Where have you been? Capitalism has been runnig amok since the 80s with
KPN
Apr 2024
#52
Maybe because it has gotten out of hand and is reaching a tipping point., The homeless problem
KPN
Apr 2024
#56
I imagine the CEOs know that inflation is hurting Biden and they would probably prefer a
LymphocyteLover
Apr 2024
#25
Let's also consider that contributing to a 401k or IRA benefits the corporate world. Part of the plan.
twodogsbarking
Apr 2024
#9
When the old farmer where I buy surplus eggs raises his prices by 50%, it's more than just large corporations.
Silent Type
Apr 2024
#13
A bird flu outbreak at the largest U.S. chicken egg producer could affect egg prices
Xipe Totec
Apr 2024
#19
I have as well... and for a long time. But, it has been kind of a lone voice.
OldBaldy1701E
Apr 2024
#65
I've been thinking it was corporations seeking to recover lost-sales in the pandemic
Model35mech
Apr 2024
#24
I (not in the U.S.) payed the equivalent of three dollars for three tiny tomatoes today,.
betsuni
Apr 2024
#39
The corporatocracy wants Republican rule, in spite of the economic facts against Republicans.
Hermit-The-Prog
Apr 2024
#40