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ShazzieB

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47. I agree 1000%!

Thu May 9, 2024, 07:40 PM

May 2024

It's often hard to tell who is just upset about the killing and who is actually rooting for Hamas, because the waters have been so muddied by things like people chanting slogans they don't fully understand, due to the ignorance and misinformation Hillary noted.

I agree with Hillary that a lot of those students are not nearly as well-informed as they need to be about the history behind what's happening in the Middle East right now. That has made them vulnerable to being influenced by those who are pro-Hamas and anti-Israel, which is very unfortunate, to say the very least.

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Hillary Clinton slams anti-Israel protests on college campuses, says students have been fed propaganda [View all] Beastly Boy May 2024 OP

Madam Secretary says the protesters are ignorant and misinformed by propaganda... sarisataka May 2024 #1

Social media is full of lies. Elessar Zappa May 2024 #2

We better figure this ancient conundrum out soon. markodochartaigh May 2024 #35

You really think someone would do that? JoseBalow May 2024 #41

The truth doesn't crack thick skulls. Check out the demosincebirth May 2024 #103

K&R betsuni May 2024 #3

If you agree with something, then it is the truth. If you don't, then it's propaganda. elocs May 2024 #4

??? wnylib May 2024 #39

I don't ForgedCrank May 2024 #61

Truth and facts aren't propaganda, nothing to do with emotions. "Agree" is for opinions. betsuni May 2024 #89

She's absolutely right. The ignorance of history and facts shown by marybourg May 2024 #5

+1,000,000 wnylib May 2024 #7

And Hillary is right to call out the failure of teachers. yardwork May 2024 #9

I haven't seen any "pro-hamas" posts here on DU. Think. Again. May 2024 #14

Right! I mean folks who compare Hamas leaders to Nelson Mandela aren't necessarily pro-Hamas! tritsofme May 2024 #15

Just keep walking AZSkiffyGeek May 2024 #16

Neither do I, I definitely haven't seen that post! Think. Again. May 2024 #17

I have NickB79 May 2024 #77

It was one of many posts that I screen shot revmclaren May 2024 #95

It's not necessary to prove it. yardwork May 2024 #158

Yes, we have. Obviously why all the references -- gaslighting won't work. betsuni May 2024 #96

Calling violent radical religious fundamentalist terrorists "freedom fighters" isn't pro-terrorist! betsuni May 2024 #38

Yesh, it can be Denied all they Cha May 2024 #67

and some posting that the brutality of October 7, with the mutilations, and rapes didn't really happen isn't JohnSJ May 2024 #53

Why are you calling that poster a troll? obamanut2012 May 2024 #107

Huh? Those are your words, not mine. tritsofme May 2024 #108

It was the person who replied to Tritsofme who did the troll accusation... Violet_Crumble May 2024 #199

... mcar May 2024 #122

"News" that amplifies Axis of Resistance (i.e. Triunvirate of Terrorism) talking points lapucelle May 2024 #177

Those videos seem to actually be still shots... Think. Again. May 2024 #184

The videos were posted here. lapucelle May 2024 #187

Are you not willing to back up your claim... Think. Again. May 2024 #188

Sorry. That doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 2024 #191

Are you now saying you have NOT read pro-hamas posts on DU... Think. Again. May 2024 #193

Like I said, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 2024 #194

I see, this discussion is obviously not a discussion. Thank you for your input. Think. Again. May 2024 #196

It was never a discussion. lapucelle May 2024 #198

Well, at least we established that there have been no pro-hamas posts on DU. Think. Again. May 2024 #200

Don't presume to speak for me or in my name. I am no part of your "we". lapucelle May 2024 #201

I agree 1000%! ShazzieB May 2024 #47

Well said. yardwork May 2024 #159

The fact these students are willing to interject themselves into the miasma misanthrope May 2024 #88

For the first time in my life I actually wish the protesters would go check it out for themselves. yardwork May 2024 #160

So glad to see a prominent Dem leader say what I've been saying wnylib May 2024 #6

Just to clarify... Think. Again. May 2024 #12

Yes, I know. And my posts have pointed out wnylib May 2024 #19

Hillary has No Fear! She knows what Cha May 2024 #8

Ditto, Cha! ffr May 2024 #42

Mahalo, ffr! Cha May 2024 #48

Interesting campaign strategy for sure. WhiskeyGrinder May 2024 #10

Is she running for something this year? BannonsLiver May 2024 #13

Riiiiight. Yea, whatever. paleotn May 2024 #18

Hillary is Right.. "students have been fed propaganda"! Cha May 2024 #136

You should watch the clip before making ass-umptions about her points. emulatorloo May 2024 #179

Hi, I read the article you linked to... Think. Again. May 2024 #11

Ummm, maybe they aren't real sure what exactly they're protesting about? paleotn May 2024 #20

I wouldn't know what the protesters are aware of as far as the history... Think. Again. May 2024 #22

Not sure how you read that, but to me that's a slam.... paleotn May 2024 #23

The article pretends she is "slamming" the protests... Think. Again. May 2024 #26

Not different topics. The false information is about the wnylib May 2024 #43

Again, the article pretends she is "slamming" the protests... Think. Again. May 2024 #49

She laments the "garbage in, garbage out" nature of the protests. Beastly Boy May 2024 #62

No, she doesn't speak about the protests at all. Think. Again. May 2024 #63

She speaks about the protesters. And their ignorance. Beastly Boy May 2024 #66

Perhaps you should watch the original interview.... Think. Again. May 2024 #70

Watching the interview was the first thing I did. Beastly Boy May 2024 #72

You honestly feel that article was a reliable... Think. Again. May 2024 #74

I don't feel, honestly or otherwise. I do check for accuracy, though. Beastly Boy May 2024 #82

Thank you for sharing and for taking the time to read the article. ecstatic May 2024 #140

Just witnessed a protest at the #1 public university... mjvpi May 2024 #204

That quote does not even mention protesters Diraven May 2024 #209

You're right, she doesn't slam the protests, she slams the ignorance of the protersters. Beastly Boy May 2024 #25

Thank you. Think. Again. May 2024 #27

At least after getting a high school diploma lapfog_1 May 2024 #68

Hi I read the article too. Progressive dog May 2024 #127

I know right? she never said a word about the protests. Think. Again. May 2024 #128

No, she just talked about the ignorance of the protesters Progressive dog May 2024 #153

We're discussing the misinformation of the article, aren't we? Think. Again. May 2024 #154

You are discussing your assertion of disinformation Progressive dog May 2024 #155

Oh, I see, because you want to point out... Think. Again. May 2024 #156

What imaginary friend are you trying to communicate with? Progressive dog May 2024 #157

Are you Okay? Think. Again. May 2024 #161

... AnrothElf May 2024 #162

Just a few links to other articles about Clinton's thoughts on the protests Progressive dog May 2024 #163

And some articles on her thoughts about netanyahu... Think. Again. May 2024 #165

So now you want to conflate what Hillary thinks about the protesters to Progressive dog May 2024 #166

What do her thoughts on the dangers of social media misinformation... Think. Again. May 2024 #167

Watch the interview on MSNBC Progressive dog May 2024 #168

I did, I actually posted it above. Think. Again. May 2024 #169

Yes, the students have been fed propaganda. intheflow May 2024 #21

Afte reading the article... Think. Again. May 2024 #24

I know that many here do not the history of the Middle East. Butterflylady May 2024 #30

Very true... Think. Again. May 2024 #34

This. We can see the bombing in real time. ExciteBike66 May 2024 #46

I recommend you the read description and watch the actual interview emulatorloo May 2024 #180

I've noticed Sec. Clinton isparticular skillful of amking obvious statements in such as way as to Torchlight May 2024 #28

I've never thought of her as a troll... Think. Again. May 2024 #29

Most likely no intent on her part, just a penchant for the subtly obvious Torchlight May 2024 #32

or maybe her words were taken out of context and twisted... Think. Again. May 2024 #33

Or maybe Torchlight May 2024 #36

um, you started it? Think. Again. May 2024 #40

Wow. jimfields33 May 2024 #100

Deep thought. jimfields33 May 2024 #101

You don't troll sealions, because sealions are themselves trolls NickB79 May 2024 #79

Okay then... Think. Again. May 2024 #80

Sealions are incredibly persistent! betsuni May 2024 #124

Yeah, not to mention.. Cha May 2024 #137

I'd be a terrible sealion, would never spend that much time on something unless it was my job! betsuni May 2024 #146

.. Cha May 2024 #150

Hillary's not a troll. ShazzieB May 2024 #84

I believe you responded to the wrong poster. Think. Again. May 2024 #97

Regarding that last assertion... SYFROYH May 2024 #164

Yep, Madam Secretary knows of what she speaks. BlueTsunami2018 May 2024 #31

I wouldn't call that "slamming" or "tearing into" (not the OP's fault). LisaM May 2024 #37

Yep. She didn't slam or tear or even use the word ignorant. chowder66 May 2024 #50

She is also very concerned about ignorant people taking over the narrative. Beastly Boy May 2024 #60

Exactly. The ignorance about the Palestinian's refusing Nixie May 2024 #102

Here's one attempt to get students' actual knowledge wnylib May 2024 #73

My favorite: "I want to see empire fall ... free Hawaii!" betsuni May 2024 #87

Yeah, I have a hunch that she's not on the Dean's List. wnylib May 2024 #91

Headache inducing and all kinds of shady. TheKentuckian May 2024 #141

Hillary was stating facts, not "slamming." SunSeeker May 2024 #44

Post removed Post removed May 2024 #45

I guess HRC will get turned against now. Just like people have turned on John Fetterman AZLD4Candidate May 2024 #51

But Ms. Clinton didn't even mention the protests... Think. Again. May 2024 #54

But, but. . .what about all the babies the Hamas Government in Gaza has claimed Israel killed? AZLD4Candidate May 2024 #57

Yes, that's exactly the kind of misinformation she is warning against. Think. Again. May 2024 #58

She was responding to Joe, who DID mention the protesters, in rather unflattering terms. Beastly Boy May 2024 #71

The propaganda that I was fed growing up was: "Israelis Good/Palestinians Bad" Sky Jewels May 2024 #52

Me too... Think. Again. May 2024 #55

I don't think you're remembering correctly. Jedi Guy May 2024 #104

Oh, so it was 17th century Germans who first... Think. Again. May 2024 #105

Sigh. No, they weren't conflating anything with the Palestinians. They were referring to the Biblical Philistines. Jedi Guy May 2024 #106

Didn't you just tell me that... Think. Again. May 2024 #109

Deliberate obtuseness, as expected. Carry on, then. N/T Jedi Guy May 2024 #111

Obtuse? But those were YOUR words! Think. Again. May 2024 #112

Do you grasp the concept that the Philistines and the Palestinians are not the same people? Jedi Guy May 2024 #113

But didn't you just point out the connection when you wrote... Think. Again. May 2024 #114

I sure didn't. You assumed that connection because it suits your purpose. That's not my problem. N/T Jedi Guy May 2024 #115

Again, those were your words. Think. Again. May 2024 #116

You grasp that a land and a people are not the same thing, right? Jedi Guy May 2024 #117

To attempt to deny that... Think. Again. May 2024 #120

Kindly cite a source, because I've never once heard it used specifically to refer to the Palestinians. Jedi Guy May 2024 #125

Here's a quick source... Think. Again. May 2024 #126

Back under your bridge, please. I think we're done here. N/T Jedi Guy May 2024 #129

it's about time. Think. Again. May 2024 #131

For you to slink back under your bridge? Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. Jedi Guy May 2024 #133

Projection. Think. Again. May 2024 #135

I am not sure how appropriate this response is to the OP in which HRC is warning us of Beastly Boy May 2024 #64

Yes they are. Sky Jewels May 2024 #86

No they are not. Beastly Boy May 2024 #92

+1 betsuni May 2024 #94

The only element absent in the charge of genocide... Think. Again. May 2024 #110

You are not saying that a legal definition of a crime is contingent on one man's lack of honesty, are you? Beastly Boy May 2024 #118

I am clearly saying that the element of intention is... Think. Again. May 2024 #121

This is like saying that the only element that prevents me from owning a 50 foot yacht is Beastly Boy May 2024 #132

No, you would not yet be the legitimate owner, just as charges have not yet been brought against netanyahu. Think. Again. May 2024 #134

Exactly my point. Intent is as essential in my becoming a legitimate owner as it is Beastly Boy May 2024 #138

You do understand that the common language use... Think. Again. May 2024 #139

In the same way the common language use of "You are killing me!" does not describe attempted murder. Beastly Boy May 2024 #142

Well no, more like how "homicide" has a legal definition of a criminal charge... Think. Again. May 2024 #143

Actually, "murder" is a legal definition. It denotes premeditation. Beastly Boy May 2024 #144

Oh stop, people can come to conclusions on their own without a court involved. Think. Again. May 2024 #145

You're kidding, right? Beastly Boy May 2024 #148

I'm not kdding.... Think. Again. May 2024 #151

As I keep repeating, apparently to no avail, "genocide" is a legal term, describing a crime. Beastly Boy May 2024 #170

As I keep trying to remind you... Think. Again. May 2024 #171

I am not disputing the misappropriation of "genocide" to be used in common language. Beastly Boy May 2024 #172

It hasn't been appropriated... Think. Again. May 2024 #173

I will not let this thread to descend into etymology. Beastly Boy May 2024 #174

Finally. Think. Again. May 2024 #175

I was very patient, but my patience has its limits. Beastly Boy May 2024 #176

Well, really, we were just going around and around. Have a great night. Think. Again. May 2024 #181

Can I private message you Beastly Boy ? revmclaren May 2024 #189

It is not "just a common word people use", at least not serious people. lapucelle May 2024 #178

I suspect the common-use word was in common use... Think. Again. May 2024 #183

I don't think that's correct. lapucelle May 2024 #185

oh, so I was right... Think. Again. May 2024 #186

No, actually you were wrong. lapucelle May 2024 #190

No, I was right... Think. Again. May 2024 #192

Yes, I know. The word was coined in 1944 and was recognized as a crime in 1946. lapucelle May 2024 #195

The word was introduced into common-usage (as opposed to legal terminology)... Think. Again. May 2024 #197

"it's just a common word people us [sic]" lapucelle May 2024 #202

I think it's obvious that... Think. Again. May 2024 #203

Nope. You yourself made the distinction between "the common-use word" and "in common use". lapucelle May 2024 #205

You're really reaching now. Think. Again. May 2024 #206

... lapucelle May 2024 #207

Hillary Clinton is on point peggysue2 May 2024 #56

I agree, her interview was very clear about... Think. Again. May 2024 #59

Is President Biden misinformed too? ecstatic May 2024 #65

If this is a serious question, no. Beastly Boy May 2024 #69

Biden has referenced indiscriminate bombings and now he has set a red line. ecstatic May 2024 #81

Did Biden ask Hillary any questions? Did Hillary respond to Biden? Beastly Boy May 2024 #83

Clinton said the people protesting the bombings and mass slaughter in Gaza are misinformed. That's why I asked ecstatic May 2024 #85

HRC made no comment about the bombing and mass slaughter. Beastly Boy May 2024 #90

Yes and no. The history of the Middle East ecstatic May 2024 #98

What does this have to do with Biden being misinformed "too"? Beastly Boy May 2024 #99

I guess we're just not on the same page here (or you're playing around). I asked for clarification and explained why ecstatic May 2024 #119

You keep asking for clarification of things I am not talking about. Beastly Boy May 2024 #130

Why don't you watch the actual interview to hear what she actually said. emulatorloo May 2024 #182

I admitted on another post that I didn't read the article or see the video until later. ecstatic May 2024 #208

Yeah the headline was just awful. Total misleading clickbait. Thanks for the reply. emulatorloo May 2024 #210

Is Biden chanting, "Free, free Palestine. Ceasefire Now. From the River to the Sea. Globalize the Intifada"? LeftInTX May 2024 #123

Sec Clinton is so right. I only watch BBC News on PBS, and the coverage is so pro Palestine that it's actually.... Tarheel_Dem May 2024 #75

And the Chinese shot Yitzhak Rabin LuvLoogie May 2024 #76

HRC must have forgotten that the Chinese killed Rabin and stopped the Oslo Accords. PufPuf23 May 2024 #78

Yep Sugarcoated May 2024 #93

Ignorant students don't understand history and context and are fed propaganda? Ping Tung May 2024 #147

I agree 100 percent with Hillary. chouchou May 2024 #149

Hillary is correct... AGAIN!! Oopsie Daisy May 2024 #152