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MicaelS

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222. The price of personal liberty is some people will suffer.

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

Nov 2012

Some will abuse said liberty and hurt themselves or others. As for me I come down on the side of personal liberty, not safety. I am a staunch advocate of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, harder drugs, guns, contraception, abortion, pornography, and prostitution all being legal.

Cannabis should be treated just like beer or wine. You can produce 100-200 gallons per calendar year of wine depending on how many adult in a household. Make Cannabis legal to consume, and legal to produce in small amounts for your own consumption. And tax the hell out of it on the commercial level.

While I don't smoke anything, I look forward to the day Cannabis is fully legal. It will put the anti-smoking and health advocates into such a frenzy that I will sit back and laugh my ass off.

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Does anyone else have a problem with weed? [View all] Bicoastal Nov 2012 OP

Your environment changed Occulus Nov 2012 #1

All in moderation, maybe you should smoke it. mikeysnot Nov 2012 #2

It's perfectly fine for everyone said no one ever. bluedigger Nov 2012 #3

some people romanticize it Enrique Nov 2012 #4

I don't want kids that try it to end up with a criminal stain on their record. My state was among bluestate10 Nov 2012 #170

Legalizing weed means the incidence of respiratory disease will tick up. randome Nov 2012 #5

I smoke AND use it in baking. When I smoke it's right before bed and kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #13

One experience isn't much to extrapolate from. randome Nov 2012 #18

I don't use cannabis to "get high", lol. I use it to control back/neck/nerve pain and kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #47

Got you! My mistake! randome Nov 2012 #61

Weed is widely and openly used and has been for decades. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #150

Don't know. randome Nov 2012 #165

Not that widely available everywhere? Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #177

Barrow, Alaska is hardly 'easy to find' -unless you live in Alaska. randome Nov 2012 #193

Um.. quakerboy Nov 2012 #186

Has it been shown to cause respiratory illness? Schema Thing Nov 2012 #26

Being illegal makes it difficult to have a sizeable sample population. randome Nov 2012 #31

That's randome for: "Nope, but I want to blather on like it has..." Romulox Nov 2012 #77

I don't think you do your position much credit by denying smoke is bad for the lungs. randome Nov 2012 #81

Scientific studies don't support your argument, randome. This stream-of-consciousness stuff isn't a Romulox Nov 2012 #84

Here's one. randome Nov 2012 #86

You didn't understand: "tobacco smoke, but not cannabis smoke, may result in lung cancer"? Romulox Nov 2012 #88

I blockmarked the passage. randome Nov 2012 #92

I see your confusion. "Carcinogenic" means "causes cancer". THAT was your claim in post #81. Romulox Nov 2012 #97

That's fine. It may not be carcinogenic but it does contain carcinogens. randome Nov 2012 #100

In other words, no evidence, but you won't be deterred from posting misinformation. Romulox Nov 2012 #104

Marijuana smoke contains carcinogens. That's a fact. randome Nov 2012 #108

That you can't provide any cite for whatsoever. More "facts" off the top of your head, I guess. Romulox Nov 2012 #111

The blockmarked passage I listed twice now. randome Nov 2012 #114

For all your bloviating you could replace the word Callmecrazy Nov 2012 #118

For the most part, I agree. randome Nov 2012 #119

Yeah, smoke can be bad for the lungs.. Upton Nov 2012 #85

The 'War on Drugs' is not the same as decriminalizing marijuana. randome Nov 2012 #89

I see.. Upton Nov 2012 #94

I don't agree with incarcerating someone for possession. randome Nov 2012 #98

So, other forms of delivery other than smoking would be okay with you.. Upton Nov 2012 #107

I could be swayed to that position. randome Nov 2012 #109

You've spent way more than 5 minutes posting misinformation in this very thread. Romulox Nov 2012 #99

Like I said before... randome Nov 2012 #105

That goes to show you that bad poetry, trite expressions, and a fact-free worldview Romulox Nov 2012 #110

Getting high means nothing to me??? Bohunk68 Nov 2012 #191

Getting high from outside means nothing to me. randome Nov 2012 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Nov 2012 #195

Hang on a sec... Callmecrazy Nov 2012 #113

I don't say that it causes cancer. randome Nov 2012 #117

I imagine those who value their health never do those things, either... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #221

And alcohol isn't good for the liver....or reflexes if you're not coordinated to begin with. loudsue Nov 2012 #83

It should be decriminalized but not legalized, IMO. randome Nov 2012 #90

How many people think drinking is cool? How many die a year? Why are you not worried about that? Logical Nov 2012 #143

I AM worried about it. randome Nov 2012 #146

For me NOTHING is more dangerous than alcohol............. kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #206

Why not just go and legalize it? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #152

Decriminalization, to my way of thinking, means a small fine. Not jail. randome Nov 2012 #163

We already have decriminalization in Washington state.. Upton Nov 2012 #198

How is it different from tobacco and alcohol? randome Nov 2012 #200

How is it different than tobacco and alcohol? Upton Nov 2012 #201

You're right, it's not very consistent. randome Nov 2012 #208

(2008), Bullous lung disease due to marijuana. Respirology, 13: 122–127. yawnmaster Nov 2012 #137

no, tobacco smoke is magical. it's unlike any other smoke known to man. that guy doesn't HiPointDem Nov 2012 #169

Huh? I'm not sure of what you are saying. eom yawnmaster Nov 2012 #225

My husband has a vaporizer marlakay Nov 2012 #29

There's no doubt that's safer. randome Nov 2012 #34

From what I understand, pot smokers don't have much of a breathing problem. Neoma Nov 2012 #48

Maybe so. But I wonder if there has been a study on that? randome Nov 2012 #95

So does smog, but at least the pot has other desirable effects Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #126

So why bother trying to live longer? randome Nov 2012 #142

Quality of life matters far more to me than quantity of life Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #158

Vaporizer effects are just as quick as smoke. ArcticFox Nov 2012 #51

I did not know that. randome Nov 2012 #63

I think many of them already are lighting up. ArcticFox Nov 2012 #181

How do you feel about HFCS? bluedigger Nov 2012 #43

More nonsense from randome. You cannot back up this claim with any objective source. Romulox Nov 2012 #75

Studies show otherwise tama Nov 2012 #130

The smoke is still full of carcinogens. randome Nov 2012 #141

I've never gotten the munchies ArcticFox Nov 2012 #182

Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, not just decriminalized--yet both of those tblue37 Nov 2012 #172

Sure, you have a point. randome Nov 2012 #173

So when I see a TV commercial for 'Birthday Cake flavored Vodka' is that society Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #204

Do you read the labels on most bottles of alcohol? randome Nov 2012 #209

The latest scientific evidence drmeow Nov 2012 #178

Just like the other study in this thread, it refers to infrequent use. randome Nov 2012 #194

Anything you inhale can be harmful lbrtbell Nov 2012 #211

The price of personal liberty is some people will suffer. MicaelS Nov 2012 #222

There may be a few things going on here NICO9000 Nov 2012 #6

I totally agree DryHump Nov 2012 #127

About every day for 40 years. AAO Nov 2012 #7

My experience was similar. lapislzi Nov 2012 #8

You probably got ahold of some sativa instead of indica. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #9

What you said... exactly. Indica (ingested) forever for this old man. nt Bigmack Nov 2012 #58

i was just going to suggest the same thing frylock Nov 2012 #122

Good Point - go with the indica womanofthehills Nov 2012 #203

As I got older MuseRider Nov 2012 #10

I can't smoke it anymore B2G Nov 2012 #11

I agree with the last liberalmike27 Nov 2012 #12

I'm not certain I understand your concern. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #14

I'm wasn't really "concerned"... Bicoastal Nov 2012 #46

I don't think you're alone. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #53

about paranoid.. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #214

how do you know you're not smoking that fake weed or pot with some additive like pcp? Sunlei Nov 2012 #226

Yes and no Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #15

Ever try a high cbd strain? ArcticFox Nov 2012 #184

I'm sorry for you.... mike_c Nov 2012 #16

Two very important things... Lionessa Nov 2012 #17

Switch strains. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #19

A small percentage, but still a large number, of people don't do well smoking it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #20

i used to smoke it laruemtt Nov 2012 #21

Same here. RebelOne Nov 2012 #35

I like it MORE as I get older musiclawyer Nov 2012 #22

stir fried? frylock Nov 2012 #123

Yes the residue musiclawyer Nov 2012 #135

edibles don't seem to effect me as much as they do for some people.. frylock Nov 2012 #140

You are lucky musiclawyer Nov 2012 #161

Since 1StrongBlackMan ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #23

Were these mysterious phone calls from another world, perhaps? randome Nov 2012 #24

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #52

THAT's some powerful grass, dude! dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #215

I don't have a problem with it being legal Silent3 Nov 2012 #25

Yeah, the 'need to relax' bit always bothered me, too. randome Nov 2012 #28

I try to tell my son this AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #37

No drug is perfect or harmless. DirkGently Nov 2012 #27

Wouldnt it be nice quakerboy Nov 2012 #188

Frustrating, isn't it? And damned silly. DirkGently Nov 2012 #199

Now for my philosophical answer Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #30

Based on things I have ... overheard, yes. DirkGently Nov 2012 #134

What you describe is pretty much exactly why I quit several years ago. dogknob Nov 2012 #32

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one this happened to AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #33

The only bad experience I ever had with pot marlakay Nov 2012 #36

that happened to my BIL shanti Nov 2012 #125

I have never used weed. I smelt it at a concert once and it made me sick. So I southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #38

Seen too many really savvy people get all goofy and paranoid on that stuff... But you can use it... Tikki Nov 2012 #39

+1 Care Acutely Nov 2012 #185

Only when I run out PD Turk Nov 2012 #40

I've hit stress levels that aren't helped by smoking. tridim Nov 2012 #41

Yes. I hate weeds. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #42

Just like any other non-adictive psychoactive substance, you do tire of it, usage goes down. patrice Nov 2012 #44

I have had much the same experience. mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #45

well of course. that goes without saying liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #49

Your experience is extremely common. Zorra Nov 2012 #50

I would really like for this stuff to be legal, so I could see what everyone is retread Nov 2012 #54

I'm glad you're sharing your experience Tsiyu Nov 2012 #55

I toked daily for 40 plus years madokie Nov 2012 #56

I recently developed an allergy to alcoholic beverages. Mariana Nov 2012 #57

I can't drink like used to either. OJT for being a cocktail waitress when I was in college. patrice Nov 2012 #82

I have COPD riqster Nov 2012 #59

I recently started taking the occasional toke again hifiguy Nov 2012 #60

does anyone else have a problem with weed.... cntrfthrs Nov 2012 #62

Insomnia and racing heart. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #64

sulphite sensitivity... nebenaube Nov 2012 #210

insomnia =sulphite sensivitivity? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #212

I get the same feeling RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #65

I smoked regularly for about 10 years. Adsos Letter Nov 2012 #66

You had a bad experience; seems like a reasonable basis to continue the War on Drugs. Romulox Nov 2012 #67

Go through the nausea associated with chemo without weed and get back to me on that. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #68

I'm one of that tiny percentage that hallucinates on THC LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #69

Yeah I got a problem with weed. Panasonic Nov 2012 #70

What somebody ran out of weed? lonestarnot Nov 2012 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Nov 2012 #71

only when i'm out... spanone Nov 2012 #72

I've been smoking it pretty regularly for 45 years. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #73

Stand by for the stoner answer.... SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #74

As the LP slowly circles the stylus........... ;-) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #93

Eww Led Zep and dope. I can't help but recall one of my favorite sarcastic Led Zep album reviews. retread Nov 2012 #120

Wow... SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #121

Man, he sure killed THEIR career with that scathing review! 6000eliot Nov 2012 #197

On a personal level, I can't stand the stuff. MadrasT Nov 2012 #76

My wife is allergic to orange juice jberryhill Nov 2012 #78

I developed allergies to citrus late in life dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #218

Hey, I'd like to hear more about that jberryhill Nov 2012 #223

Seemed to have crept up on me.. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #224

Sorry to be late to the discusion but life gets in the way sometimes tech3149 Nov 2012 #79

No problems whatsoever, TexasTowelie Nov 2012 #80

I think some of it may have to do with individual brain chemistry. I tried once in college..no more libdem4life Nov 2012 #87

Me too Ligyron Nov 2012 #91

I have asthma, and the smell makes me cough. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #96

indica vs sativa notadmblnd Nov 2012 #101

"Like alcohol, some can handle it and some just can't, no matter how much they would like to." riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #102

I had similar experiences LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #103

Strictly personal? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #106

Its too expensive Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #112

Yes, NEVER enough Politicalboi Nov 2012 #115

that too Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #116

Too much cloning? What do you mean? tridim Nov 2012 #131

I think it has much to do with your psychological state. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2012 #124

Not really. Systemshock212 Nov 2012 #128

Most people I know who used to use it regularly have either quit or drastically cut down slackmaster Nov 2012 #129

I know this happens sometimes to some people OnionPatch Nov 2012 #132

Couple things tama Nov 2012 #133

Indeed musiclawyer Nov 2012 #136

It tends to make people stupid. But then again, illegality promotes excessive use. Bucky Nov 2012 #138

ITT: Someone who used to smoke weed but doesn't (BAM just saved everyone 10 minutes...) DFab420 Nov 2012 #139

I sound like Donald Duck the day after smoking. bklyncowgirl Nov 2012 #144

I do etherealtruth Nov 2012 #145

not fond of the smell quinnox Nov 2012 #147

I quit probably 30 yrs ago after having a paranoia attack that left me with panic attacks. Every now Raine Nov 2012 #148

Maybe it's the quality? When legal, I guess it'll be regulated? Your source may cut it Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #151

It's the closest thing I know to a benign psychoactive drug Warpy Nov 2012 #153

I end up laughing all the time I do it. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #154

Bicoastal, you might try experimenting with weed that has higher CBD concentrations. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #155

TOO OLD TO SMOKE POT Sedona Nov 2012 #156

Thanks for that BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #202

Same thing happened to me. EXACTLY the same thing. sibelian Nov 2012 #157

Indica & Sativa Loge23 Nov 2012 #159

I can't stand the smell of it democrattotheend Nov 2012 #162

+1 Daniel537 Nov 2012 #220

Was the strain you were smoking sativa or indica? They have opposite effects: LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #164

I have never smoked the stuff and when I have been near people that have, thought they stunk. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #166

all my experiences were speedy and panicky. that was 40 years ago & i haven't been back. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #167

I have known some people who say that weed makes them feel paranoid. tblue37 Nov 2012 #168

Thank you for courageously posting this... fadedrose Nov 2012 #171

Ignorance is bliss. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #174

K&R for your honesty. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #175

Maybe as your stress level went up the pot made you too calm to handle that stress and RKP5637 Nov 2012 #176

I get depressed when I smoke... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #179

Problem? Jim Warren Nov 2012 #180

Try a strain rich in cannabidiol (CBD) ArcticFox Nov 2012 #183

My Espoused One Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #187

I always experienced pecwae Nov 2012 #189

Making it legal in Switzerland actually REDUCED use. Festivito Nov 2012 #190

Yep, same reason why we should lower the drinking age. Daniel537 Nov 2012 #217

Yeah I have a weed problem. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #195

That's the same problem I have with it independentpiney Nov 2012 #207

I have smoked from 13 yo to 52............ kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #205

only when i run out... :) pnwest Nov 2012 #213

Never tried it, and never seen a reason to. Daniel537 Nov 2012 #216

curled in a ball crying panic attacks?, marijuana or not..that depth of mental ill. needs a Dr. Tx. Sunlei Nov 2012 #219

Besides the fact it's too expensive? jschurchin Nov 2012 #227

Yes. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #228