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In It to Win It

(8,841 posts) Wed Jul 3, 2024, 04:46 PM Jul 3

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I understand the anger about the negativity surrounding Joe Biden. We want Joe to win, and the powers that be are trying their damnedest to make sure that doesn't happen.

At the same time, I think we also have to keep in mind that this race is bigger than Joe Biden. It's not about Joe Biden specifically. Joe Biden is a means to an end, and that end is beating Donald Trump. As much as we would like this to be a pro-Biden race focused on Joe Biden's accomplishments, this should be an anti-Trump race. The anti-Trump coalition is that 81 million voters (and particularly those 40-something thousand voters across those three states) that showed up for Biden in 2020. These include anti-Trump Republicans and Independents and pro-Biden Democrats and Independents. The anti-Trump coalition is bigger than the pro-Biden coalition.

When we look at polls that aren't good for Biden and when we see people criticize for Biden the poor debate performance, it's not because these people don't like Joe Biden. This is not an anti-Biden view. It's because we don't want to lose to Trump, and that goal is the #1 goal. That goal is bigger than Joe Biden.

To add my personal thoughts on Joe Biden, I think he's had a successful Presidency. In truth, I voted for him in 2020 thinking he would do one term and not run for re-election, and my expectations of him were not high. I thought that he would not have been able to get past the gridlocked politics of the Trump era. To my surprise, he played the hand he was dealt better than any other Democrat could have. He's gotten some significant and generational legislation passed with bipartisan support. Joe Biden was able to make deals with those old-school Republicans like Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, John Cornyn, and the Republican leaders in the House in a way that the next Democratic President might not be able to do with the next wave of upcoming Republicans. I applaud that. Joe Biden might be the one of the last bipartisan presidents because the next generation of Republicans aren't getting any better. Joe Biden's also the one I trust to deal with the two conflicts on the other side of the world. Joe Biden is a phenomenal president. However, the end goal is bigger than Joe Biden. Joe Biden has done a great service, and may continue to do so.

If there are concerns that Joe Biden is not the man to accomplish the goal in 2024, that's an uncomfortable that we shouldn't shy away from. A portion of voters that we relied on in 2020 need to be reassured. Calling the polls or the media "trash" or "garbage" isn't going to minimize their concerns. The people need to be shown that Joe Biden is the man of 2024 just like he was in 2020 to get the job done; and the people need to be shown that Trump is still the crazy idiotic and chaotic motherfucker that they chose to leave behind in 2020.

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Is this a safe space? [View all] In It to Win It Jul 3 OP

it's also about our votes already cast for Joe Biden to run in this election, knowing full well he's old bigtree Jul 3 #1

I honestly don't remember if I voted for Biden or not. Ms. Toad Jul 3 #77

Safe space to support our President ismnotwasm Jul 3 #2

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Jul 3 #18

"...is THE Democratic Nominee" Bucky Jul 3 #23

The primaries happened and delegates to the convention were pledged to Biden. brush Jul 3 #35

Here, let me Google that for ya... Bucky Jul 3 #43

as far as this site is concerned, Joe Biden is the presumptive nominee bigtree Jul 3 #50

☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jul 3 #85

Don't send me to a multi-paragraph treatise on google. Summarize briefly pls. brush Jul 3 #97

No. I'm gonna post the ENTIRETY of the multi-paragraph treatise right here, right now Bucky Jul 3 #100

Good luck. brush Jul 3 #104

That thoughtful post is "regurgitated rw bs"???? skip fox Jul 3 #55

Apparently you didn't see where I excluded the OP ismnotwasm Jul 3 #70

"If there are concerns that Joe Biden is not the man to accomplish the goal in 2024" Ferrets are Cool Jul 3 #3

As long as we can agree that those with reservations are still loyal Dems Bucky Jul 3 #22

Post whatever you like, but be prepared to get pushback from those who don't agree. emulatorloo Jul 3 #4

I'm as prepared as I'll ever be In It to Win It Jul 3 #7

Outstanding gif. The Unmitigated Gall Jul 3 #9

Uh edisdead Jul 3 #13

Well I liked it for a different reason. Standing in the face of a fascist onslaught. nt The Unmitigated Gall Jul 3 #42

Your reply is about battling democrats? edisdead Jul 3 #11

No, but battling the idea that we should not discuss the perceived downsides of 2024 Biden campaign In It to Win It Jul 3 #15

Its way too late to be discussing the downsides of a Biden campaign EarlG Jul 3 #27

You'd think so and then In It to Win It Jul 3 #33

Basically, yeah, thats what you're supposed to pretend EarlG Jul 3 #40

Thank you. I am clear-eyed about the challenges we face Pinback Jul 3 #47

Except I think In It to Win It Jul 3 #51

Okay, then EarlG Jul 3 #60

Yes! That's all I'm saying... and accomplished all of that while being old at the same time. That's great multitasking In It to Win It Jul 3 #66

Trump is 78 and talks gibberish half the time, when he is not screaming like a deranged dictator the other half. hadEnuf Jul 3 #84

++++++++++ emulatorloo Jul 3 #52

So does that mean that the DU rules about not wnylib Jul 3 #56

Sounds like it to me. ShazzieB Jul 3 #87

I hope so. With Biden's decision to stay in the race, wnylib Jul 3 #90

Thank you Lifeafter70 Jul 3 #81

Thanks for mentioning that Attilatheblond Jul 3 #49

Exactly! Bakerboy17 Jul 3 #61

Exactly! Bakerboy17 Jul 3 #64

Looks like some of us vs folks who unknowingly amplify Fox News talking points. emulatorloo Jul 3 #12

Spare us the "dissenters are unwilling dupes" smear Bucky Jul 3 #21

It's well known that DU is vulnerable to trolls and other disruptors... Think. Again. Jul 3 #24

+1000 wnylib Jul 3 #68

Agree most everyone here is not trolling, but post as if they don't think the RW SM is paying attention to what we say PortTack Jul 3 #89

Actually Trump welcomes Biden as nominee. skip fox Jul 3 #57

Oh yeah MorbidButterflyTat Jul 3 #62

Nailed it! PortTack Jul 3 #91

That's what I've also noticed recently on right-wing forums. ClearSky24 Jul 3 #74

. wnylib Jul 3 #82

prepared to attack the Dem nominee in broad daylight Nimble_Idea Jul 3 #20

Everyone should expect pushback in a public discussion board Silent3 Jul 3 #32

It's pointless MorbidButterflyTat Jul 3 #59

Problem is - social media womanofthehills Jul 3 #69

Well we can use social media too in this fight wnylib Jul 3 #72

Agree that's what we should be doing....the RW got a toe hold instead PortTack Jul 3 #92

Then cut off their toes. wnylib Jul 3 #96

That why I wonder if BlueSky3 Jul 3 #76

Thank you! PortTack Jul 3 #86

thank you for some rationale... FirstLight Jul 3 #5

Support Democrats. edisdead Jul 3 #6

I am certain that the OP does support Democrats. Goodheart Jul 3 #36

Support Democrats Nimble_Idea Jul 3 #39

Using the right wing mocking poi t adds such a nice touch edisdead Jul 3 #8

What does "smell like pine" mean? Bucky Jul 3 #16

that was my guess Celerity Jul 3 #94

Cool, what did you figure out for a "mocking poi t"? Bucky Jul 3 #99

I hope it is a safe space to do whatever it takes to defeat the Putin/Trump/GOP. Irish_Dem Jul 3 #10

I understand the circle-the-wagons-instinct when things turn dire Bucky Jul 3 #14

Their concerns are legitimate, but they aren't relevent to the moment, particulary since Joe Biden swept two - marble falls Jul 3 #17

My concerns are relevant to the moment, and they remain relevant until election day In It to Win It Jul 3 #26

Sadly, when you're 81 years old four years IS a big deal. Goodheart Jul 3 #38

Thank you! My + response not personal either, and you are correct. These conversations are not relevant to PortTack Jul 3 #95

"I voted for him in 2020 thinking he would do one term and not run for re-election." LAS14 Jul 3 #19

The Bros of Political Media Are Real Mad at One Another About Whether Joe Biden Promised to Serve One Term marble falls Jul 3 #25

He didn't forget because he never DID say that. DemocraticPatriot Jul 3 #28

Correct, he never said that In It to Win It Jul 3 #34

He never said that -- you are mistaken obamanut2012 Jul 3 #46

exactly. My concerns are based on real conversations with friends, family, coworkers, associates, etc. ecstatic Jul 3 #29

California min wage is $16.00 Lifeafter70 Jul 3 #37

Ah those pesky facts... Thank you, great info. emulatorloo Jul 3 #53

You could use the technique that Malcolm Nance is urging us to use. wnylib Jul 3 #80

Joe Biden is a politician Goodheart Jul 3 #30

While you are so concerned with polls, did you see the one that showed other Democrats faring even worse against Trump? W_HAMILTON Jul 3 #31

The other way to look at "fairing worse," is... LAS14 Jul 3 #102

JoeB and his TEAM have accomplished tremendous achievements in less than 4 years after inheriting a TOTAL shitshow. NoMoreRepugs Jul 3 #41

Literally no one disputes this Bucky Jul 3 #48

First of all I don't believe the stinking polls and neither should you. flying_wahini Jul 3 #44

I've always viewed DU as a place to discuss current events TexasDem69 Jul 3 #45

I recognize that Biden had a bad night. I watched wnylib Jul 3 #88

Too true, too true!!! LAS14 Jul 3 #103

Read Earl G's post, that is where I am Bev54 Jul 3 #54

I largely agree with that In It to Win It Jul 3 #63

Debates have ZERO predictive value in presidential elections. NONE. This is media stupid crazy hype bullshit. Deek1935 Jul 3 #58

In the words of Ben Grimm "Don't get your panties in a twist" captain queeg Jul 3 #65

A safe space to build the blue Tsunami! CapnSteve Jul 3 #67

I hope that comes true. In It to Win It Jul 3 #75

This fear is so different from 2016. Nobody knows shit. We don't know who is the best candidate to win. texasfiddler Jul 3 #71

To my mind, this whole mess is more about the media than Joe. Joinfortmill Jul 3 #73

No. It is not quakerboy Jul 3 #78

I disagree. ForgedCrank Jul 3 #79

This is a thoughtful post. yardwork Jul 3 #83

How safe do you need it to be? Fichefinder Jul 3 #93

Why do you find the need to ask? DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 3 #98

No. (nothing to do with the current Biden issues). I cannot elaborate further, sorry. Celerity Jul 3 #101

K&R Blue Owl Jul 4 #105