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Irish_Dem

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26. Pelosi is very shrewd and sophisticated.

Sat Jul 20, 2024, 02:04 PM

Jul 2024

She has been aware of GOP and Russian tricks and traps for many years. She is the one who has been warning us about all roads leading to Putin.

It is low probability that she and the others have fallen into a GOP/Russian trap.

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Allan Lichtman has a point. [View all] Swede Jul 2024 OP

Right now, I am enjoying the luxury of not having to worry about what Joe will do. I just trust him. Walleye Jul 2024 #1

Omg, me too. I'm glad I'm not the only one. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #9

Count me in! colorado_ufo Jul 2024 #21

Same here! PortTack Jul 2024 #51

Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Raskin are not spineless people. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #2

We trusted and admired them... lame54 Jul 2024 #10

Yes the metric is the election. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #12

I already know who's wrong lame54 Jul 2024 #14

I do not have enough data to be certain. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #16

And that is one of the big problems... lame54 Jul 2024 #18

Yes they need to start giving more information. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #22

We can agree to disagree. I think everyone should rally behind our nominees. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #35

Yes but the reality is they are not doing so. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #64

No, they shouldn't. Kind of makes me chuckle that some progressive who long bitched about money in politics and Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #75

and it's not Kamala, according to AOC's own video. EastBayGuy Jul 2024 #55

AOC knows who they have in mind? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #63

they have blown it Skittles Jul 2024 #62

I agree it has been handled badly. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #65

Me too...those who orchestrated this mess and supported big money. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #80

The truth will come out about what happened. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #85

We will never know for sure...and the metric is not the presidential election. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #34

I thought the goal was to beat Trump and the PutinGOP? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #37

My goal is and always has been and I would hope every Democrat I know feels the same way William769 Jul 2024 #56

I am a Democrat and support my party. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #58

Of course I want to beat Trump. But I have worked elections for many years and I know we will lose voters...just as Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #79

Scale is tipped. krkaufman Jul 2024 #83

How about caught inside of a Republican false frame? Tweedy Jul 2024 #19

Pelosi is very shrewd and sophisticated. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #26

Not so sure Abundance77 Jul 2024 #29

Possible but low probability that Pelosi has gone to the dark side. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #31

Zero probability she has gone to the "dark side." We may disagree with what we deurbano Jul 2024 #44

Sometimes you don't know you've been trapped... returnee Jul 2024 #61

"Pelosi is very shrewd and sophisticated." BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #38

This is not just about Pelosi. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #53

Follow the $$$$$ BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #59

You make a compelling case. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #66

I think there is an unfortunate view BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #68

The best way to make money is to win elections. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #69

"The best way to make money is to win elections.' BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #70

Show me Nancy Pelosi on the record with this Tweedy Jul 2024 #43

I agree they are not spineless. Katinfl Jul 2024 #23

You are so concerned...how nice. I don't think so...I believe the root of all evil is money. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #28

No. They don't. Tweedy Jul 2024 #45

Stop it. Neither Pelosi nor Schumer has suggest Biden step down...it was always from sources. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #27

This is a discussion forum and I am discussing. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #30

We do know what's going on Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #52

Leave Pelosi out we can do it Jul 2024 #57

True, but they are showing weakness right now. PAMod Jul 2024 #73

How about venal choie Jul 2024 #84

He's right (in a previous inteview)-- had Biden's staff not talked him into that debate BEFORE the convention... hlthe2b Jul 2024 #3

They were always going to rally around the nominee. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #4

Their will be people so pissed at this that they don't vote lame54 Jul 2024 #11

If they sit out, don't vote, and help Trump win, orange jar Jul 2024 #20

They WILL be part of the problem... lame54 Jul 2024 #24

Ok...lets get this right. Of course they should vote but maybe some conclude it doesn't matter if they vote because Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #46

That was the case in 16 wasn't it with no interference with primary voters. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #49

Voters at the margin Nasruddin Jul 2024 #40

And the fact that Johnson will keep us in court with no clear nominee and no ability to get our candidate on state Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #76

The problem is forcing any elected presumptive nominee out... he won the primary would rip our party apart... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #32

The problem is forcing any elected presumptive nominee out... he won the primary would rip our party apart... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #33

I think we have Democrats' votes no matter who is on the ticket. However, it really comes down to how the undecideds Silent Type Jul 2024 #5

I have worked elections for years. And I do not believe we get enough Democratic votes...some will stay home Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #39

I will keep my eye on the prize, beating trump. I hope others do the same by voting for the Ds on the ballot in Nov. Silent Type Jul 2024 #48

Yeah we will and it is self-inflicted wound...leave Biden alone. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #50

You are kidding yourself...voters here have said they won't. Wishful thinking on your part...Some Democrats will Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #77

I would hope Democrats don't stay home, that's kind of how we got trump in 2016. Silent Type Jul 2024 #78

He's most likely right. TRHST82 Jul 2024 #6

That! duncang Jul 2024 #7

I am worried about Sherrod Brown. I think it was unwise to make any comment. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #41

Brown is in a challenging situation FBaggins Jul 2024 #67

Of course they will. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #8

They victimized themelves PATRICK Jul 2024 #25

That is not true. When voters think they were screwed, many stay home. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #42

Then they're just as bad as the ones who stayed home in 2016. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #72

You mean like 2016...What do yo think will happen...And Johnson plans to sue. Thus we likely will have no Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #74

I hope he's right wryter2000 Jul 2024 #13

But the damage is already done mcar Jul 2024 #15

Whoa.. .. Alan Lichtman is Really Putting himself Out There Cha Jul 2024 #17

Apparently some things never change... BWdem4life Jul 2024 #36

Personally, I will always vote against the authoritarian markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #47

He reinforces his argument in many YT videos anglesphere Jul 2024 #54

They can rally all they want, Susan Calvin Jul 2024 #60

Nice to hear them called what they absolutely are. n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2024 #71

Or they could all pull a Manchin? Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #81

No one must question Alan Lichtman Renew Deal Jul 2024 #82