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44. Zero probability she has gone to the "dark side." We may disagree with what we

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Sat Jul 20, 2024, 02:29 PM

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think is happening or what we think her role is in it, but she has not gone to the dark side.

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Allan Lichtman has a point. [View all] Swede Jul 2024 OP

Right now, I am enjoying the luxury of not having to worry about what Joe will do. I just trust him. Walleye Jul 2024 #1

Omg, me too. I'm glad I'm not the only one. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #9

Count me in! colorado_ufo Jul 2024 #21

Same here! PortTack Jul 2024 #51

Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Raskin are not spineless people. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #2

We trusted and admired them... lame54 Jul 2024 #10

Yes the metric is the election. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #12

I already know who's wrong lame54 Jul 2024 #14

I do not have enough data to be certain. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #16

And that is one of the big problems... lame54 Jul 2024 #18

Yes they need to start giving more information. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #22

We can agree to disagree. I think everyone should rally behind our nominees. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #35

Yes but the reality is they are not doing so. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #64

No, they shouldn't. Kind of makes me chuckle that some progressive who long bitched about money in politics and Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #75

and it's not Kamala, according to AOC's own video. EastBayGuy Jul 2024 #55

AOC knows who they have in mind? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #63

they have blown it Skittles Jul 2024 #62

I agree it has been handled badly. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #65

Me too...those who orchestrated this mess and supported big money. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #80

The truth will come out about what happened. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #85

We will never know for sure...and the metric is not the presidential election. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #34

I thought the goal was to beat Trump and the PutinGOP? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #37

My goal is and always has been and I would hope every Democrat I know feels the same way William769 Jul 2024 #56

I am a Democrat and support my party. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #58

Of course I want to beat Trump. But I have worked elections for many years and I know we will lose voters...just as Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #79

Scale is tipped. krkaufman Jul 2024 #83

How about caught inside of a Republican false frame? Tweedy Jul 2024 #19

Pelosi is very shrewd and sophisticated. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #26

Not so sure Abundance77 Jul 2024 #29

Possible but low probability that Pelosi has gone to the dark side. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #31

Zero probability she has gone to the "dark side." We may disagree with what we deurbano Jul 2024 #44

Sometimes you don't know you've been trapped... returnee Jul 2024 #61

"Pelosi is very shrewd and sophisticated." BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #38

This is not just about Pelosi. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #53

Follow the $$$$$ BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #59

You make a compelling case. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #66

I think there is an unfortunate view BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #68

The best way to make money is to win elections. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #69

"The best way to make money is to win elections.' BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #70

Show me Nancy Pelosi on the record with this Tweedy Jul 2024 #43

I agree they are not spineless. Katinfl Jul 2024 #23

You are so concerned...how nice. I don't think so...I believe the root of all evil is money. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #28

No. They don't. Tweedy Jul 2024 #45

Stop it. Neither Pelosi nor Schumer has suggest Biden step down...it was always from sources. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #27

This is a discussion forum and I am discussing. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #30

We do know what's going on Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #52

Leave Pelosi out we can do it Jul 2024 #57

True, but they are showing weakness right now. PAMod Jul 2024 #73

How about venal choie Jul 2024 #84

He's right (in a previous inteview)-- had Biden's staff not talked him into that debate BEFORE the convention... hlthe2b Jul 2024 #3

They were always going to rally around the nominee. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #4

Their will be people so pissed at this that they don't vote lame54 Jul 2024 #11

If they sit out, don't vote, and help Trump win, orange jar Jul 2024 #20

They WILL be part of the problem... lame54 Jul 2024 #24

Ok...lets get this right. Of course they should vote but maybe some conclude it doesn't matter if they vote because Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #46

That was the case in 16 wasn't it with no interference with primary voters. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #49

Voters at the margin Nasruddin Jul 2024 #40

And the fact that Johnson will keep us in court with no clear nominee and no ability to get our candidate on state Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #76

The problem is forcing any elected presumptive nominee out... he won the primary would rip our party apart... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #32

The problem is forcing any elected presumptive nominee out... he won the primary would rip our party apart... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #33

I think we have Democrats' votes no matter who is on the ticket. However, it really comes down to how the undecideds Silent Type Jul 2024 #5

I have worked elections for years. And I do not believe we get enough Democratic votes...some will stay home Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #39

I will keep my eye on the prize, beating trump. I hope others do the same by voting for the Ds on the ballot in Nov. Silent Type Jul 2024 #48

Yeah we will and it is self-inflicted wound...leave Biden alone. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #50

You are kidding yourself...voters here have said they won't. Wishful thinking on your part...Some Democrats will Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #77

I would hope Democrats don't stay home, that's kind of how we got trump in 2016. Silent Type Jul 2024 #78

He's most likely right. TRHST82 Jul 2024 #6

That! duncang Jul 2024 #7

I am worried about Sherrod Brown. I think it was unwise to make any comment. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #41

Brown is in a challenging situation FBaggins Jul 2024 #67

Of course they will. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #8

They victimized themelves PATRICK Jul 2024 #25

That is not true. When voters think they were screwed, many stay home. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #42

Then they're just as bad as the ones who stayed home in 2016. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #72

You mean like 2016...What do yo think will happen...And Johnson plans to sue. Thus we likely will have no Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #74

I hope he's right wryter2000 Jul 2024 #13

But the damage is already done mcar Jul 2024 #15

Whoa.. .. Alan Lichtman is Really Putting himself Out There Cha Jul 2024 #17

Apparently some things never change... BWdem4life Jul 2024 #36

Personally, I will always vote against the authoritarian markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #47

He reinforces his argument in many YT videos anglesphere Jul 2024 #54

They can rally all they want, Susan Calvin Jul 2024 #60

Nice to hear them called what they absolutely are. n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2024 #71

Or they could all pull a Manchin? Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #81

No one must question Alan Lichtman Renew Deal Jul 2024 #82