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4. Hundreds of thousands of homicide cases are currently unsolved in the U.S.

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NBC: More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide here or abroad are living freely in the U.S., ICE says [View all] WarGamer Sep 28 OP

ICE is a bunch of MAGA fanboys. I don't believe what they say. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #1

Unfortunately, that will likely be six months into the reign of Emperor Trump... regnaD kciN Sep 28 #9

Post removed Post removed Sep 28 #25

Does this really pass the smell test for you? Scrivener7 Sep 28 #28

They said some are being protected by state and local officials MichMan Sep 28 #32

So they have committed a crime, served their time and been released. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #85

Not if they have been convicted of a felony, in particular homicide. LeftInTX Sep 28 #88

If they are convicted criminals, they should be turned over to ICE for deportation MichMan Sep 28 #89

No one is saying they should. But this article is very carefully worded Scrivener7 Sep 28 #97

The report was requested 6 months ago and was just released by ICE MichMan Sep 28 #102

Yes, exactly. So why were these people not a priority? Might it be because Scrivener7 Sep 28 #105

"We need to do something about all these criminals!!!" ColinC Sep 28 #2

This sounds nuts. So, they were convicted of murder here, but we let them out? surfered Sep 28 #3

The ICE Acting Director needs to go before Congress and answer some questions under oath. surfered Sep 28 #5

this. x100 WarGamer Sep 28 #15

Um, as the house is run by Maga fascists, that Voltaire2 Sep 28 #49

Very likely foreign and could also be asylum seekers. LeftInTX Sep 28 #17

Mayorkas has testified before congress that the border is secure and people are vetted properly before being released. MichMan Sep 28 #20

I was stuck on the word convicted...of murder and we did not keep them in custody? surfered Sep 28 #21

If they are convicted of murder in the US, they serve their sentence and are then deported. LeftInTX Sep 28 #24

Apparently not, or they wouldn't still be here MichMan Sep 28 #27

You're quoting "crimes". I'm looking specifically at homicide LeftInTX Sep 28 #57

Doesn't pass the smell test. They're playing semantic games. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #108

Hundreds of thousands of homicide cases are currently unsolved in the U.S. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #4

Couldn't be more than 20% of the overall murderers living in the US ColinC Sep 28 #6

At least, it also falls under TSF's watch, as well. That needs to be consistently pointed out. mymomwasright Sep 28 #7

If ICE had all the data, how come no one is doing anything about it? MichMan Sep 28 #12

What. The. F**k?!!!!!! hedda_foil Sep 28 #8

Sounds like state and local officials are protecting them MichMan Sep 28 #13

Migrants convicted of crimes that have been released have not been convicted of murder! LeftInTX Sep 28 #33

Not if sanctuary cities refuse to notify ICE and just release them MichMan Sep 28 #36

Do you (or they) have evidence of this? Dave says Sep 28 #45

"They" would be ICE. A federal agency under Secretary Mayorkis MichMan Sep 28 #59

I don't "believe" anything, I expect a slant Dave says Sep 28 #63

The actual report is linked in Post #42 MichMan Sep 28 #67

The DHS remarks from the link in the OP justifies my suspicion about the ICE hit piece Dave says Sep 28 #113

This story says convicted of murder. surfered Sep 28 #37

In some places it does, and then in other places it uses data from "crimes" in general. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #134

Here's the breakdown from ICE soandso Sep 28 #42

This. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #98

From ICE soandso Sep 28 #40

Riggggghhht,...Sanctuary cities are letting convicted murderers out after a couple months and giving them "Obama Phones" maxrandb Sep 28 #60

wait til you find out how many home grown folks are out walking around after homicide convictions WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #14

They would be here legally as US citizens and can't be deported MichMan Sep 28 #19

okay so is the issue being someone who's committed a homicide or someone who's here "illegally"? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #48

Someone who has both of those are worse than either or Polybius Sep 28 #52

oh so there's a SCALE, I see. So how does a U.S. citizen who's committed a homicide compare to someone who's WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #53

Under current laws, both. MichMan Sep 28 #55

The issue is campaign fodder. If you don't think Joe Voter in Milwaukee won't be influenced by this, I've gotta bridge LeftInTX Sep 28 #61

Post removed Post removed Sep 28 #86

Oh, fuck off. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #99

maybe some have already completed their prison sentences? nt wiggs Sep 28 #10

That's kinda how it works ColinC Sep 28 #11

How much time does one usually get for killing or raping someone? MichMan Sep 28 #16

I'd be very cautious about labeling the 16K "rapists"... regnaD kciN Sep 28 #74

The actual report states "Sexual Assault" as a separate category with 16,000 MichMan Sep 28 #77

And somehow this is still going to help convince too many people to vote for an adjudicated rapist for president ColinC Sep 28 #82

Over the last 40 years, some of them still in prison, some labeled by ICE Scrivener7 Sep 28 #101

FTR, Trump is walking around after being convicted of sexual assualt Deminpenn Sep 28 #112

They don't jail people in civil cases, do they? MichMan Sep 28 #115

The bipartisan bill in Congress would have addressed this. Trump blocked it. yardwork Sep 28 #18

How many NON-immigrants ?? MSM never *finishes* the story ! eppur_se_muova Sep 28 #22

It's a report from ICE/DHS which has jurisdiction over immigration LeftInTX Sep 28 #69

A Trump lie. lees1975 Sep 28 #23

It's a letter from the ICE Director, confirmed by the Senate in 2023... WarGamer Sep 28 #26

ICE director is a direct report to Secretary Mayorkis MichMan Sep 28 #30

Not good news for Democrats. The border is Trump's big issue and this plays right into his hands. jalan48 Sep 28 #29

I heard a story on ABC regarding kacekwl Sep 28 #70

I think the media just keeps repeating it, especially Fox and other right wing networks, jalan48 Sep 28 #91

Convicted of homicide here in U.S. and never served any time? Freethinker65 Sep 28 #31

That's what I'm thinking. And some enter illegally. LeftInTX Sep 28 #39

Some: convicted, served their term, released. ICE not notified to come get them marybourg Sep 28 #72

I'm thinking that part applies to lesser crimes. LeftInTX Sep 28 #73

So, ICE has joined tRumps election committee? nt yaesu Sep 28 #34

Joined? More like a founding member. RockRaven Sep 28 #54

Meanwhile, children in schools are being murdered by their classmates MagickMuffin Sep 28 #35

The Republican October Surprise? Dave says Sep 28 #38

Most entered before the Biden administration Cattledog Sep 28 #41

Umm no. WarGamer Sep 28 #43

The report is misleading according to an immigration expert Nevilledog Sep 28 #44

tyvm... WarGamer Sep 28 #51

++++++ thx nt cliffside Sep 28 #119

This was the giant headline in the New York Post, it will be everywhere, and Trump will mention it like he did dem4decades Sep 28 #46

Butter emails v2024. WarGamer Sep 28 #47

Comey 2.0, there's too many fascists in the government, did the Secretary of Homeland Security release this or was dem4decades Sep 28 #90

Harris should say that people have told her that most came in when Trump was president. dem4decades Sep 28 #92

I'm sure DHS can produce a breakdown... of facts. WarGamer Sep 28 #111

VP Harris should say when she is elected that they will be fast tracked for deportation proceedings MichMan Sep 28 #116

It was so important that the guy wrote a letter Klarkashton Sep 28 #50

Nope GOP congressman Tony Gonzales, who is running for reelection requested information LeftInTX Sep 28 #64

How many US citizen sex offenders are there? How many are Repugs? RockRaven Sep 28 #56

And does that help us win elections? LeftInTX Sep 28 #65

Of course not. This line of attack is directed at innumerate people RockRaven Sep 28 #81

Here in the US we kill about 22K folk each year; we shoot about 20K of them. struggle4progress Sep 28 #58

"Living freely" in jail? Bmoboy Sep 28 #62

Need to bring ICE Director to the Senate for a Q&A WarGamer Sep 28 #66

Doesn't smell right. I'm sure Biden Harris et al are working up a factual response. NoMoreRepugs Sep 28 #68

It states this in the article Andy823 Sep 28 #71

I read the actual report to Congress which was linked in post #42 MichMan Sep 28 #76

So you're going to take that as gospel? dpibel Sep 28 #94

The figures from ICE differentiate between convicted detained and not detained soandso Sep 28 #96

Would ICE be the brownshirts, the SS, or the Gestapo, in the Nazi America that MAGA hopes for? Iggo Sep 28 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Sep 28 #118

Sex offender Trump who tried to overthrow our government Emile Sep 28 #78

So what should be done about that? ecstatic Sep 28 #79

Non-detained list includes people IN PRISON Nevilledog Sep 28 #80

+++++++ always good to look past the headline, thx! nt cliffside Sep 28 #117

It says they crossed under the Drumph Administration Tribetime Sep 28 #83

Every administration since Reagan actually. WarGamer Sep 28 #110

Hmmm Abstractartist Sep 28 #84

I think it's time ice be absorbed ColinC Sep 28 #87

Absorbed where ? MichMan Sep 28 #93

Absorbed into losing their semi autonomous status entirely ColinC Sep 28 #95

How many came here during GOP rule? RainCaster Sep 28 #100

Tell ICE to list their names, and country of origin Raven123 Sep 28 #103

It took 6 months for them to issue this MichMan Sep 28 #106

If they made the claim they should already have a list Raven123 Sep 28 #109

The 13,000 immigrants are from a 40 year period. Emile Sep 28 #104

Lechleitner needs to lose his job LiberalFighter Sep 28 #107

Newsmax headline and article "ICE: 13,000 Migrants Convicted of Murder Living Freely in US" cliffside Sep 28 #114

why linking newsmax? WarGamer Sep 28 #120

Because it's as hinky as this article. They not known for looking for news so much as feeding the sharks. marble falls Sep 28 #123

Because I googled the headline in your post and that is what matched? cliffside Sep 28 #124

i literally cut n pasted NBC headline... WarGamer Sep 28 #125

When I clicked on your link the headline was different on the NBC site ... cliffside Sep 28 #130

Here's the original WarGamer Sep 28 #128

See my last post ... cliffside Sep 28 #131

It appears to me... WarGamer Sep 28 #132

I wonder, how many much more thousands of native born US citizens convicted or accused of murder are walking around???? marble falls Sep 28 #121

I'd say lots... WarGamer Sep 28 #122

So why are we picking on immigrants who tend to be of color ... marble falls Sep 28 #127

This is about campaign fodder and swing state voters watching, "Explosive reports" on the nightly news LeftInTX Sep 28 #135

Sounds like ICE is self reporting. Didn't do the job they were tasked with. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 28 #126

I call bullshit. RandySF Sep 28 #129

Voters in swing states are going to be bombarded with this misleading info Stargleamer Sep 28 #133

Yeah..... LeftInTX Sep 28 #136

Posting Trump's talk points are we? tenderfoot Sep 29 #137

I actually love this thread - bookmark it for use FHRRK Sep 29 #138

Kick - NT FHRRK Sep 29 #139