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MichMan

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55. Under current laws, both.

Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:01 PM

Sep 28

Convicted murderers, rapists & other criminals here "illegally" forfeit all chances of being allowed to stay here legally. They aren't eligible for asylum, so under what status should they be permitted to stay here?

Under current laws, people who are declined for asylum aren't permitted to stay here indefinitely either.

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NBC: More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide here or abroad are living freely in the U.S., ICE says [View all] WarGamer Sep 28 OP

ICE is a bunch of MAGA fanboys. I don't believe what they say. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #1

Unfortunately, that will likely be six months into the reign of Emperor Trump... regnaD kciN Sep 28 #9

Post removed Post removed Sep 28 #25

Does this really pass the smell test for you? Scrivener7 Sep 28 #28

They said some are being protected by state and local officials MichMan Sep 28 #32

So they have committed a crime, served their time and been released. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #85

Not if they have been convicted of a felony, in particular homicide. LeftInTX Sep 28 #88

If they are convicted criminals, they should be turned over to ICE for deportation MichMan Sep 28 #89

No one is saying they should. But this article is very carefully worded Scrivener7 Sep 28 #97

The report was requested 6 months ago and was just released by ICE MichMan Sep 28 #102

Yes, exactly. So why were these people not a priority? Might it be because Scrivener7 Sep 28 #105

"We need to do something about all these criminals!!!" ColinC Sep 28 #2

This sounds nuts. So, they were convicted of murder here, but we let them out? surfered Sep 28 #3

The ICE Acting Director needs to go before Congress and answer some questions under oath. surfered Sep 28 #5

this. x100 WarGamer Sep 28 #15

Um, as the house is run by Maga fascists, that Voltaire2 Sep 28 #49

Very likely foreign and could also be asylum seekers. LeftInTX Sep 28 #17

Mayorkas has testified before congress that the border is secure and people are vetted properly before being released. MichMan Sep 28 #20

I was stuck on the word convicted...of murder and we did not keep them in custody? surfered Sep 28 #21

If they are convicted of murder in the US, they serve their sentence and are then deported. LeftInTX Sep 28 #24

Apparently not, or they wouldn't still be here MichMan Sep 28 #27

You're quoting "crimes". I'm looking specifically at homicide LeftInTX Sep 28 #57

Doesn't pass the smell test. They're playing semantic games. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #108

Hundreds of thousands of homicide cases are currently unsolved in the U.S. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #4

Couldn't be more than 20% of the overall murderers living in the US ColinC Sep 28 #6

At least, it also falls under TSF's watch, as well. That needs to be consistently pointed out. mymomwasright Sep 28 #7

If ICE had all the data, how come no one is doing anything about it? MichMan Sep 28 #12

What. The. F**k?!!!!!! hedda_foil Sep 28 #8

Sounds like state and local officials are protecting them MichMan Sep 28 #13

Migrants convicted of crimes that have been released have not been convicted of murder! LeftInTX Sep 28 #33

Not if sanctuary cities refuse to notify ICE and just release them MichMan Sep 28 #36

Do you (or they) have evidence of this? Dave says Sep 28 #45

"They" would be ICE. A federal agency under Secretary Mayorkis MichMan Sep 28 #59

I don't "believe" anything, I expect a slant Dave says Sep 28 #63

The actual report is linked in Post #42 MichMan Sep 28 #67

The DHS remarks from the link in the OP justifies my suspicion about the ICE hit piece Dave says Sep 28 #113

This story says convicted of murder. surfered Sep 28 #37

In some places it does, and then in other places it uses data from "crimes" in general. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #134

Here's the breakdown from ICE soandso Sep 28 #42

This. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #98

From ICE soandso Sep 28 #40

Riggggghhht,...Sanctuary cities are letting convicted murderers out after a couple months and giving them "Obama Phones" maxrandb Sep 28 #60

wait til you find out how many home grown folks are out walking around after homicide convictions WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #14

They would be here legally as US citizens and can't be deported MichMan Sep 28 #19

okay so is the issue being someone who's committed a homicide or someone who's here "illegally"? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #48

Someone who has both of those are worse than either or Polybius Sep 28 #52

oh so there's a SCALE, I see. So how does a U.S. citizen who's committed a homicide compare to someone who's WhiskeyGrinder Sep 28 #53

Under current laws, both. MichMan Sep 28 #55

The issue is campaign fodder. If you don't think Joe Voter in Milwaukee won't be influenced by this, I've gotta bridge LeftInTX Sep 28 #61

Post removed Post removed Sep 28 #86

Oh, fuck off. Scrivener7 Sep 28 #99

maybe some have already completed their prison sentences? nt wiggs Sep 28 #10

That's kinda how it works ColinC Sep 28 #11

How much time does one usually get for killing or raping someone? MichMan Sep 28 #16

I'd be very cautious about labeling the 16K "rapists"... regnaD kciN Sep 28 #74

The actual report states "Sexual Assault" as a separate category with 16,000 MichMan Sep 28 #77

And somehow this is still going to help convince too many people to vote for an adjudicated rapist for president ColinC Sep 28 #82

Over the last 40 years, some of them still in prison, some labeled by ICE Scrivener7 Sep 28 #101

FTR, Trump is walking around after being convicted of sexual assualt Deminpenn Sep 28 #112

They don't jail people in civil cases, do they? MichMan Sep 28 #115

The bipartisan bill in Congress would have addressed this. Trump blocked it. yardwork Sep 28 #18

How many NON-immigrants ?? MSM never *finishes* the story ! eppur_se_muova Sep 28 #22

It's a report from ICE/DHS which has jurisdiction over immigration LeftInTX Sep 28 #69

A Trump lie. lees1975 Sep 28 #23

It's a letter from the ICE Director, confirmed by the Senate in 2023... WarGamer Sep 28 #26

ICE director is a direct report to Secretary Mayorkis MichMan Sep 28 #30

Not good news for Democrats. The border is Trump's big issue and this plays right into his hands. jalan48 Sep 28 #29

I heard a story on ABC regarding kacekwl Sep 28 #70

I think the media just keeps repeating it, especially Fox and other right wing networks, jalan48 Sep 28 #91

Convicted of homicide here in U.S. and never served any time? Freethinker65 Sep 28 #31

That's what I'm thinking. And some enter illegally. LeftInTX Sep 28 #39

Some: convicted, served their term, released. ICE not notified to come get them marybourg Sep 28 #72

I'm thinking that part applies to lesser crimes. LeftInTX Sep 28 #73

So, ICE has joined tRumps election committee? nt yaesu Sep 28 #34

Joined? More like a founding member. RockRaven Sep 28 #54

Meanwhile, children in schools are being murdered by their classmates MagickMuffin Sep 28 #35

The Republican October Surprise? Dave says Sep 28 #38

Most entered before the Biden administration Cattledog Sep 28 #41

Umm no. WarGamer Sep 28 #43

The report is misleading according to an immigration expert Nevilledog Sep 28 #44

tyvm... WarGamer Sep 28 #51

++++++ thx nt cliffside Sep 28 #119

This was the giant headline in the New York Post, it will be everywhere, and Trump will mention it like he did dem4decades Sep 28 #46

Butter emails v2024. WarGamer Sep 28 #47

Comey 2.0, there's too many fascists in the government, did the Secretary of Homeland Security release this or was dem4decades Sep 28 #90

Harris should say that people have told her that most came in when Trump was president. dem4decades Sep 28 #92

I'm sure DHS can produce a breakdown... of facts. WarGamer Sep 28 #111

VP Harris should say when she is elected that they will be fast tracked for deportation proceedings MichMan Sep 28 #116

It was so important that the guy wrote a letter Klarkashton Sep 28 #50

Nope GOP congressman Tony Gonzales, who is running for reelection requested information LeftInTX Sep 28 #64

How many US citizen sex offenders are there? How many are Repugs? RockRaven Sep 28 #56

And does that help us win elections? LeftInTX Sep 28 #65

Of course not. This line of attack is directed at innumerate people RockRaven Sep 28 #81

Here in the US we kill about 22K folk each year; we shoot about 20K of them. struggle4progress Sep 28 #58

"Living freely" in jail? Bmoboy Sep 28 #62

Need to bring ICE Director to the Senate for a Q&A WarGamer Sep 28 #66

Doesn't smell right. I'm sure Biden Harris et al are working up a factual response. NoMoreRepugs Sep 28 #68

It states this in the article Andy823 Sep 28 #71

I read the actual report to Congress which was linked in post #42 MichMan Sep 28 #76

So you're going to take that as gospel? dpibel Sep 28 #94

The figures from ICE differentiate between convicted detained and not detained soandso Sep 28 #96

Would ICE be the brownshirts, the SS, or the Gestapo, in the Nazi America that MAGA hopes for? Iggo Sep 28 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Sep 28 #118

Sex offender Trump who tried to overthrow our government Emile Sep 28 #78

So what should be done about that? ecstatic Sep 28 #79

Non-detained list includes people IN PRISON Nevilledog Sep 28 #80

+++++++ always good to look past the headline, thx! nt cliffside Sep 28 #117

It says they crossed under the Drumph Administration Tribetime Sep 28 #83

Every administration since Reagan actually. WarGamer Sep 28 #110

Hmmm Abstractartist Sep 28 #84

I think it's time ice be absorbed ColinC Sep 28 #87

Absorbed where ? MichMan Sep 28 #93

Absorbed into losing their semi autonomous status entirely ColinC Sep 28 #95

How many came here during GOP rule? RainCaster Sep 28 #100

Tell ICE to list their names, and country of origin Raven123 Sep 28 #103

It took 6 months for them to issue this MichMan Sep 28 #106

If they made the claim they should already have a list Raven123 Sep 28 #109

The 13,000 immigrants are from a 40 year period. Emile Sep 28 #104

Lechleitner needs to lose his job LiberalFighter Sep 28 #107

Newsmax headline and article "ICE: 13,000 Migrants Convicted of Murder Living Freely in US" cliffside Sep 28 #114

why linking newsmax? WarGamer Sep 28 #120

Because it's as hinky as this article. They not known for looking for news so much as feeding the sharks. marble falls Sep 28 #123

Because I googled the headline in your post and that is what matched? cliffside Sep 28 #124

i literally cut n pasted NBC headline... WarGamer Sep 28 #125

When I clicked on your link the headline was different on the NBC site ... cliffside Sep 28 #130

Here's the original WarGamer Sep 28 #128

See my last post ... cliffside Sep 28 #131

It appears to me... WarGamer Sep 28 #132

I wonder, how many much more thousands of native born US citizens convicted or accused of murder are walking around???? marble falls Sep 28 #121

I'd say lots... WarGamer Sep 28 #122

So why are we picking on immigrants who tend to be of color ... marble falls Sep 28 #127

This is about campaign fodder and swing state voters watching, "Explosive reports" on the nightly news LeftInTX Sep 28 #135

Sounds like ICE is self reporting. Didn't do the job they were tasked with. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 28 #126

I call bullshit. RandySF Sep 28 #129

Voters in swing states are going to be bombarded with this misleading info Stargleamer Sep 28 #133

Yeah..... LeftInTX Sep 28 #136

Posting Trump's talk points are we? tenderfoot Sep 29 #137

I actually love this thread - bookmark it for use FHRRK Sep 29 #138

Kick - NT FHRRK Sep 29 #139