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anglesphere

(197 posts)
226. There are no other candidates that would fair better
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:58 AM
Nov 9

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 06:35 AM - Edit history (2)

This idea that "if this Democratic candidate just did that or this they wouldn't have lost to Trump" is obscene.

Look who they voted for.

They. Don't. Know. What. Is. A. Good. Candidate.

They voted for Trump. Did he have to be the perfect candidate? No. So why would Kamala being one (even though she nearly was) make a difference?

Trump won because average voters are not paying close enough attention to politics the way a lot of us policy wonks do.

They tune in when it's time to vote, gleem some surface details and then, for the most part, vote blindly and poorly informed.

This is what the average voter is thinking:

"Well, we gave Biden a chance, and I personally didn't notice that much of a difference in my life, so maybe I'll vote Republican this time."

That's it. It's a pendulum. "One party had their chance in power this time, now let's give the other party a chance". If there's any doubt about the incumbent president, the average voter votes the other way.

They don't study politics so they truly can't judge where who they vote for will lead.

They just hold their breath and hope voting for someone different (the other party) will turn out to be better.

Now, if you put a pay check in their hands every month, you might wake them up and win their loyalties every election.

Otherwise, the average voter has no clue what candidate will be good or bad for the country.

And when you throw in the fact that Trump has nurtured a cult around himself, you see why voters are disengaged in the real debate.

They either have not paid enough attention to the political debate to be sure of who to vote for or they have been swept up into a frenzy by a political cult and so are not thinking clearly or rationally.

Being a "better candidate" (even though Kamala was) is not going to help you there.

But cults fueled by lies and corruption eventually run out of steam or slowly discredit themselves.

As soon as the blind passion around Trump dissipates or is countered by something on the Left that is as equally exciting or that grants a concrete payback for the average voter that they can feel in their hands, sink their teeth into and understand, the Democrats will win.

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Sorry, Nancy. I disagree. RandySF Nov 8 #1
In retrospect I agree with Pelosi Du916 Nov 8 #52
If there had been an open primary? MattBaggins Nov 8 #62
Maybe roscoeroscoe Nov 8 #66
"If Harris were pushed aside for yet another old white guy" ?? Dumpy Nov 8 #101
Unfortunately, they said what they meant, Abolishinist Nov 8 #133
what is meaning of WYPIPO orleans Nov 9 #185
Phonetic spelling of "white people" in African American Vernacular English. Abolishinist Nov 9 #195
Yoga pants are uniform in East Central Florida. rubbersole Nov 9 #205
I imagine those will go out of style at some point... Montauk6 Nov 9 #208
Lol rubbersole Diamond_Dog Nov 9 #251
I'm white...and i season my food. What category do i fall into? Buckeyeblue Nov 9 #281
Funny, I have posts with the "word" in the subject line go automatically to trash here. phylny Nov 9 #294
It would have been seen MattBaggins Nov 9 #171
Not "pushed aside" Shrek Nov 9 #234
white guys is all we will get from now on Skittles Nov 9 #189
Women will never be qualified enough, politically astute, educated or smart enough to be elected President of the US! akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #242
Other than wild speculation, what's your evidence for that? Orrex Nov 9 #288
Did he really say that, though? moose65 Nov 8 #82
2020 Du916 Nov 8 #94
Hmmmm moose65 Nov 8 #107
Agreed Du916 Nov 8 #118
That was being floated around, PatSeg Nov 9 #175
Sorry, you need produce a direct quote from Biden. "Advisors" don't count. emulatorloo Nov 9 #303
He said he'd consider the possibility of one term MadameButterfly Nov 9 #192
Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #129
Hindsight is 20:20 Du916 Nov 9 #163
Sharp decline my ass. You sound like a hater. Joe is still a sharp, intelligent man. Trueblue1968 Nov 9 #165
Very true. LisaL Nov 9 #183
If he'd had such a sharp decline; then why did he sound fine at the event After the debate electric_blue68 Nov 9 #186
The over-reaction was just ridiculous. Biden had a really bad cold, I wish his staff had just rescheduled the debate. emulatorloo Nov 9 #302
Heh I didn't need any reminding! 😄😑 electric_blue68 Nov 9 #317
... emulatorloo Nov 9 #318
I think the poster was referring to debating and taking live questions Polybius Nov 9 #307
You might be right electric_blue68 Nov 9 #316
I don't think Kamala was the problem so much as MadameButterfly Nov 9 #199
AM radio for Dems has been discussed since the late 1990s Captain Zero Nov 9 #212
Rush Limbaugh has been dead for over 3 and a half years MichMan Nov 9 #243
They don't need Rush BannonsLiver Nov 9 #297
Neither of which have anything to do with AM radio. MichMan Nov 9 #300
That's yesterdays news too. BannonsLiver Nov 9 #319
Al Franken tried it but it failed financially. Still MadameButterfly Nov 9 #277
+1 pat_k Nov 9 #206
You may be right about the lack of time. AlanAdam Nov 9 #223
Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #3
Dems don't know how to play the game Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #4
The issue is that hat Rethugs play dirty Farmgirl1961 Nov 8 #15
My mom (rip) partly grew up in a sort of tough neighborhood in NYC... electric_blue68 Nov 9 #190
Some Dems know how to play dirty inside their camp but Skya Rhen Nov 9 #299
THIS onecaliberal Nov 9 #254
I admire Speaker Pelosi tremendously but I think she should not have spooky3 Nov 8 #5
And not now Lulu KC Nov 8 #75
Agree. Kind of strange. She's smart, been around. etc electric_blue68 Nov 9 #188
She may have passed her expiration date... Hope22 Nov 9 #194
Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #6
Just wow MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #7
And that is what pisses me the hell off Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #18
That's disappointing. Ocelot II Nov 8 #8
Thanks for nothing! BluenFLA Nov 8 #9
"Nancy Pelosi" texted me a couple of times... Alephy Nov 8 #10
Foolish! They are succeeding in having us eat our own. Jit423 Nov 8 #11
Maybe Woodwizard Nov 8 #12
This is getting insane. ananda Nov 8 #13
I'll say MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #16
it definitely doesn't help, and she's had a successful enough career that she should hold her tongue cadoman Nov 8 #79
Well said. nt akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #245
Biden should have never sought reelection, but after his late exit we were basically stuck with Harris. tritsofme Nov 8 #14
Even if we couldn't have a primary due to time, we still had last cycles results to fall back to. Lancero Nov 8 #74
Biden ran away with 2020, it was barely ever a competitive race, it was over after South Carolina. tritsofme Nov 8 #83
Not asking about President. Asking about potential picks for VP's. Lancero Nov 8 #96
I think Harris was a fine vice president and helped the ticket in 2020. tritsofme Nov 9 #217
I think she was a great candidate. It's the electorate that failed. ificandream Nov 8 #92
Stuck? Seriously?? After he CHOSE her as his running mate and presidential partner as the "last in the room"? ancianita Nov 9 #168
Yes, that's exactly how I felt. We had no choice but to run Harris. tritsofme Nov 9 #218
Incredibly disappointing! Mme. Defarge Nov 8 #17
The MSM was relentless. luvallpeeps Nov 8 #89
I was disappointed when his own people called for him to step down. Yes, the debate was painful to watch but that akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #249
She pushed him out. Is this the onion. Emile Nov 8 #19
Yes, she pushed him out, and now tries to avoid responsibility for the outcome. LisaL Nov 8 #58
Not Only Was She One of the Orchestrators Of Biden Stepping Aside hotellanai1986 Nov 9 #198
Pelosi should retire. Self Esteem Nov 8 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Nov 8 #21
That is CLEARLY what she was saying, WTF krawhitham Nov 8 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Nov 8 #38
RIGHT krawhitham Nov 8 #40
Fair enough. I stand corrected. iemanja Nov 8 #47
Joe endorsed Harris seconds after he withdrew, forcing everyone else to follow suit krawhitham Nov 8 #45
Why would he not endorse his own VP? LisaL Nov 8 #50
To allow the Party as a whole to chose a candidate Zeitghost Nov 8 #106
There was no time for a party as a whole to chose a candidate. LisaL Nov 8 #108
I think he may have been quick to endorse her early because Obama did NOT do the same with his VP... thesquanderer Nov 9 #196
Despicable displacedvermoter Nov 8 #22
She doesn't want to accept her own responsibility for LisaL Nov 8 #23
Democrats forced Biden to drop out. hadEnuf Nov 8 #103
Lawrence O'Donnell said that repeatedly PatSeg Nov 9 #181
With all due respect to everyone, I'm sick of the Biden Bashing. Really sick of it. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #24
So am I MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #27
So am I. Joe did an amazing job pulling this country out of the toilet trump left us in. The only thing that should LoisB Nov 8 #33
Maybe President Newsom COL Mustard Nov 8 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #224
If you ask me, Nancy Pelosi should have pressured Joe Biden not to run for re-election in the first place In It to Win It Nov 8 #25
Pelosi and Schumer agreed that Biden was our nominee 12/22 Arazi Nov 8 #84
That's because she was the one behind forcing Joe out, and now does not what the backlash, so she blaming others krawhitham Nov 8 #26
She put the final knife to Joes back, and is scrambling to escape now that everyone is reaching for a fork. Lancero Nov 8 #36
I strongly agree that President Biden should not have run for a second term. tman Nov 8 #28
Hindsight is always 20-20. LisaL Nov 9 #237
Even if there was substance to what she says Dave says Nov 8 #29
Unfortunately she is saying what everyone is thinking. It's bad timing, but not wrong. Pisces Nov 8 #34
Not everyone n/t Lulu KC Nov 8 #140
Pelosi should retire standingtall Nov 8 #30
She did more to protect us from Trump last time. How about she not retire LizBeth Nov 8 #43
Pelosi is 84 years old standingtall Nov 8 #49
Not president and doing fine and the one in there not a younger gen LizBeth Nov 8 #119
My feelings exactly. LisaL Nov 8 #44
WTF? She's blaming both Biden and Harris for the loss. StarryNite Nov 8 #31
It's the truth Zeitghost Nov 8 #54
If Harris had been passed over as replacement, we would not have marybourg Nov 8 #68
Sure we would Zeitghost Nov 8 #97
Solid vetting process? LisaL Nov 8 #99
At the convention Zeitghost Nov 8 #102
Convention was scheduled after a deadline to get on the ballot in OH. LisaL Nov 8 #104
You are seriously underinformed Zeitghost Nov 8 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 8 #126
What you said Zeitghost Nov 8 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 8 #130
OH deadline was extended, but the law wouldn't have taken an effect in 2024, because extension was LisaL Nov 8 #135
Dream on. Bypassing Harris would've splintered the party and lost the Black vote. brush Nov 9 #178
Biden rebuffed all attempts to convince him early Zeitghost Nov 9 #182
Listen up. I said a whole party primary in '22 where Harris would've sunk or swam like other candidates. brush Nov 9 #187
This black woman would no longer identify as a democrat. And I know plenty of other black women that feel that way tulipsandroses Nov 9 #207
I'm sure that will work out well Zeitghost Nov 9 #209
Seems like you are making all kinds of assumptions there. If you want to know my other intentions. Ask. Don't assume. tulipsandroses Nov 9 #214
The VP was the normal, logical and highly qualified candidate to replace a departing Pres. marybourg Nov 8 #105
A primary is not passing someone over. white_wolf Nov 9 #191
There was no time for a primary, when Biden was forced to drop out. LisaL Nov 9 #193
Strongly disagree. To not choose the sitting marybourg Nov 9 #197
This isn't about DEI scores Zeitghost Nov 9 #211
I don't think it would be called "passed over" Polybius Nov 9 #309
This isn't "advice" Lulu KC Nov 8 #85
It's the Nancy I know and love Zeitghost Nov 8 #93
I am not challenging her comments Lulu KC Nov 8 #114
The time for the truth Zeitghost Nov 8 #124
Good night Lulu KC Nov 8 #138
Who would you have picked as our candidate? StarryNite Nov 8 #117
Ideally Zeitghost Nov 8 #122
If the candidate was selected at the convention by whatever process, LisaL Nov 8 #132
The deadline was moved Zeitghost Nov 8 #134
It was not moved quickly enough. The old date would have been still in place in 2024. LisaL Nov 8 #139
Yes it was, it's been covered over and over Zeitghost Nov 8 #145
Maybe Pelosi should blame herself for forcing him out when it was too late to do so. LisaL Nov 9 #149
Internal polls had Biden losing bad Zeitghost Nov 9 #162
We don't have access to internal polling, unless you are a party insider. DiamondShark Nov 9 #312
I respectfully disagree. StarryNite Nov 8 #113
My thoughts, as well soandso Nov 8 #137
Biden was certainly NOT mentally declining Deminpenn Nov 9 #227
While I agree with you re his mental moonscape Nov 9 #291
Unfortunately, we were put in a position where she was the most convenient option In It to Win It Nov 9 #176
People will be feasting on COL Mustard Nov 8 #35
I think she is probably correct and I loved Harris and she ran an excellent LizBeth Nov 8 #39
I guess she hasn't done enough. onecaliberal Nov 8 #41
oh man....thank you stillcool Nov 8 #57
IIt is also raw story. niyad Nov 8 #42
From the NYT soandso Nov 8 #100
I wll wait for the actual piece. niyad Nov 8 #109
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/pelosi-harris-biden-open-primary.html soandso Nov 8 #116
I can't believe how many are trashing Nancy Pelosi. This is upside Pisces Nov 8 #46
The truth is, she played a big role in what happened. LisaL Nov 8 #48
People here Zeitghost Nov 8 #59
Neither Biden nor Harris deserve this in the least. yorkster Nov 8 #72
Just like it wasn't helpful for her to force Biden out LisaL Nov 8 #76
I hated the way it happened, but don't know yorkster Nov 8 #136
This is beyond unhelpful. The Unmitigated Gall Nov 8 #51
It was calculated. She knew exactly who to run to in order to yet again bash Joe. bovine6 Nov 9 #161
Well, of course she knew. LisaL Nov 9 #170
Yet everyone says how the Dems can't get their messaging out. They have the media on speed dial Skya Rhen Nov 9 #301
Dems... Ollie Garkie Nov 8 #53
No, Rs do not march in lockstep soandso Nov 8 #144
Yes, they do. Karasu Nov 9 #173
I disagree soandso Nov 9 #177
You forget the details of how and why that happened. Karasu Nov 9 #184
Done? They very well may have the trifecta. I wish we were that "done". jimfields33 Nov 9 #252
Look like they were speaking about moderate Rs being done within their party. DiamondShark Nov 9 #314
Seems those moderates vote for the reicht. onecaliberal Nov 9 #257
I actually agree with her. Xolodno Nov 8 #55
Trump doesn't care he is term limited. LisaL Nov 8 #63
Hence why Biden should have stated right after he took office that he was a one termer. Xolodno Nov 8 #78
Well, clearly in retrospect, we would have been better off if we had a competitive primary. LisaL Nov 8 #112
I think it was, in terms of football, a Hail Mary. Xolodno Nov 8 #142
In 2022, she and Schumer agreed that Biden should run for re-election. LisaL Nov 9 #156
Going to need a link for that. Xolodno Nov 9 #164
Well, then the proper time to act on those worries would have been in 2022. LisaL Nov 9 #167
Pelosi and Schumer both said Biden's the nominee 12/22 Arazi Nov 9 #255
I love your patience and tenacity for stating the facts. Well done. NT akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #266
But Democrats lost the year that LBJ decided not to run again (1968) Polybius Nov 9 #311
True. Xolodno Nov 9 #321
The Only Way We Win Chicagogrl1 Nov 8 #56
The repubs Will SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #73
Yep. LisaL Nov 8 #77
60% of Republicans are MAGA cultists. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #263
Oh, Nancy..... WVGal1963 Nov 8 #60
I really thought Harris ran a perfect campaign crushed him in the debate Tribetime Nov 8 #61
Unfortunately, LisaL Nov 8 #65
I wasn't thinking that was the world we were living in I was wrong Tribetime Nov 8 #70
Well yeah, they were counting on white females not to disconnect abortion policy from the policy maker. 49-49 during ... uponit7771 Nov 8 #87
Midterms didn't have Trump in them, which apparently brings out LisaL Nov 8 #95
Agreed. She left it all on the field. 5000% effort ecstatic Nov 9 #305
Power corrupts AverageOldGuy Nov 8 #64
Ironic considering soandso Nov 8 #110
Kamala represents the one cohort that didn't abandon us. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #67
Very true. LisaL Nov 8 #69
There were nobody better than Kamala. Dave Bowman Nov 8 #71
Passing over Kamala would have Sneederbunk Nov 8 #80
There wasnt much of a good choice anyway we went back in the summer... Mark.b2 Nov 8 #120
WHO Nancy just WHO was going to be nominated? flamingdem Nov 8 #81
Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 8 #86
Biden ran and won as a one term candidate to return stability to the Nation. Freethinker65 Nov 8 #88
I agreed with what she said. oldmanlynn Nov 8 #90
She's forgotten that she herself said Biden was the nominee Arazi Nov 8 #91
Yep. The time for any different candidates would have been LisaL Nov 8 #98
And an open primary might have made things worse. The MFer trump had our number this time. Silent Type Nov 8 #111
I don't think this would have mattered DC77 Nov 8 #115
leadership had a choice wichita Nov 8 #123
And if he'd been reelected Lulu KC Nov 9 #147
You nailed it. Dems eat their own, they need to stop that crap and learn from the rethug play book, rally around akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #271
Pretty sad. Our Party isn't in a great place right now. jalan48 Nov 8 #125
she still doesn't get: it has nothing to do with the candidate AlexSFCA Nov 8 #128
Because the reicht is so good at that... onecaliberal Nov 9 #260
unfortunately, we learned, none of that matters to most voters AlexSFCA Nov 9 #287
A lot of peoples votes weren't counted. People everywhere are saying onecaliberal Nov 9 #290
I agreed with you up until point 3 ecstatic Nov 9 #313
Meet the New Boss... MrWowWow Nov 8 #131
We fuckd ourselves. Biden one and done. Primary. MerryBlooms Nov 8 #141
she just can't stop herself bigtree Nov 8 #143
Should have been a one a done. Primary. MerryBlooms Nov 9 #151
Take care of yourself. mahina Nov 9 #230
Oh crap. elleng Nov 9 #146
As usual Dems form a circular firing squad Hassler Nov 9 #148
If Biden had dropped out a year ago we would have had primaries and had doc03 Nov 9 #150
They shut out other candidates! Arazi Nov 9 #261
Exactly. LisaL Nov 9 #275
I must be blocked by most of DU Arazi Nov 9 #282
WTF Nancy? The "other side" ran with and old, crazy, felon and rapist crimycarny Nov 9 #152
So true. LisaL Nov 9 #153
Maybe Nancy could have done something more substantive than a snarky clap Orrex Nov 9 #154
What do you think she could've done? Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #246
She could have refrained from armchair quarterbacking in the immediate aftermath of the election Orrex Nov 9 #286
Members of the Democratic party are feeding on each other, its a stage of grief yaesu Nov 9 #155
Maybe it's time for Pelosi and Schumer to retire as well ecstatic Nov 9 #157
Honestly RJ_MacReady Nov 9 #296
Bad take, Nan. JHB Nov 9 #158
Will the circular firing squad never end? Susan Calvin Nov 9 #159
That's what we are famous for, why stop now? LisaL Nov 9 #166
The important thing is not whether she gets blamed or not. Susan Calvin Nov 9 #169
I sense, rightly or wrongly, that this is an extremely unpopular sentiment to express at DU, however, Frank D. Lincoln Nov 9 #160
Not unpopular with the repro rights groups I am in Arazi Nov 9 #265
Take responsibity for your own actions forner Speaker Pelosi. CentralMass Nov 9 #172
Talk about rubbing salt into the wound PatSeg Nov 9 #179
What I want to know ucrdem Nov 9 #174
Can't you keep your mouth shut Pelosi. JohnSJ Nov 9 #180
Post removed Post removed Nov 9 #200
I dont agree with it all but you spoke some truths in thst rant. CentralMass Nov 9 #201
A broken clock is right twice a day. rubbersole Nov 9 #202
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #203
Biden's decision to run for another term was a terrible, and tragic, mistake. pat_k Nov 9 #204
I disagree. I think forcing him out was the mistake. CentralMass Nov 9 #219
The reason we lost is simple DaddyShark Nov 9 #210
She lost bc White people are anxious about a diversifying America. Yavin4 Nov 9 #216
White people are the only racial demographic Harris made gains in Sympthsical Nov 9 #225
How do you know that she forced him out? mahina Nov 9 #213
Nancy, like a lot pros in DC, is completely out of touch with modern politics Yavin4 Nov 9 #215
It wasn't Kamala, or Joe, or Pelosi nilram Nov 9 #220
This isn't helping Meowmee Nov 9 #221
File under, Be Careful What You Wish For Deminpenn Nov 9 #222
There are no other candidates that would fair better anglesphere Nov 9 #226
and now we start eating our own young... Layzeebeaver Nov 9 #228
She didn't have to give that interview. FloridaBlues Nov 9 #229
Why the f*** isn't Pelosi asking where the votes went?? Why isn't she asking for recounts?? WTF???? 58Sunliner Nov 9 #231
The votes were never there- are we not getting it yet???? AkFemDem Nov 9 #232
Then why exactly is Pelosi blaming Biden and Harris for this? LisaL Nov 9 #236
I think she wanted him out sooner to drive more momentum AkFemDem Nov 9 #238
The time to replace Biden with somebody else should have been LisaL Nov 9 #240
She shut out other candidates at the start Arazi Nov 9 #278
That's what she is doing, trying to avoid the blame for what happened. LisaL Nov 9 #280
That interview clip is from December 2022 Arazi Nov 9 #283
We agree to disagree. 58Sunliner Nov 9 #250
If Harris had won, luvallpeeps Nov 9 #233
Love ya Nancy, but go ... Island Blue Nov 9 #235
Times reporting? Whatever. Scrivener7 Nov 9 #239
The problem is with the electorate bucolic_frolic Nov 9 #241
Nancy should retire. She announced on Election night Dems would win the house. Mr.WeRP Nov 9 #244
This just the Johnson/Stevenson all over again Blue Full Moon Nov 9 #247
WHAT? no_hypocrisy Nov 9 #248
Her hindsight is off. PAMod Nov 9 #253
Nancy Pelosi has some answering to do kansasobama Nov 9 #256
I think it hurt and not help. LisaL Nov 9 #270
Not exactly claudette Nov 9 #258
When was this primary going to happen at the time Pelosi and company forced Biden out? LisaL Nov 9 #273
I don't know claudette Nov 9 #298
She has her own legacy to protect newdeal2 Nov 9 #259
If they would have not given it to Harris sky_masterson Nov 9 #262
I agree with Pelosi NickB79 Nov 9 #264
Harris is much younger than Trump. LisaL Nov 9 #268
My honest answer? She's a woman NickB79 Nov 9 #279
So the top players are going to blame each other? A felon won the popular vote and our side Passages Nov 9 #267
Damn it Nancy please stop it... Ysabel Nov 9 #269
I'm sorry, I think Nancy was a great Speaker . . . hatrack Nov 9 #272
I semi agree with her -misanthroptimist Nov 9 #274
Well, if there truly was time to chose a candidate at the convention, LisaL Nov 9 #276
It doesn't stop it, per se... -misanthroptimist Nov 9 #295
Oh I'm sorry things didn't go as planned for you. Autumn Nov 9 #284
Pelosi julmur Nov 9 #285
Yeah but even with all that Turbineguy Nov 9 #289
All Well and Good Nancy But.... the_liberal_grandpa Nov 9 #292
Sounds like a smart gal to me Beringia Nov 9 #293
Her timing is shameful. Boomerproud Nov 9 #308
Looks like she threw both Biden and Harris under the bus Polybius Nov 9 #304
Who was he supposed to endorse? alarimer Nov 9 #306
Remember all those post about the war chest only being usable by Harris? Fish700 Nov 9 #310
This thread sucks. I reported it for sounding like GOP but it is still here. Boo, hiss !!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Nov 9 #315
made me very sad Brainstormy Nov 9 #320
Seems like the former speaker envisioned some kind of ad-hoc primary happening, Jack Valentino Nov 9 #322
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