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Elessar Zappa

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61. Sure they do.

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 10:26 AM

Nov 13

My blue county experienced a red shift of 5% and we hand count ballots. Our election is overseen by Democrats. This happened in blue areas across the country. We just lost and it’s best if people accept it (unless actual evidence emerges to prove otherwise).

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It says something about many of us that we don't discuss any longer that [View all] boston bean Nov 13 OP

We lost, because they cheated, again, the numbers don't add up. Meadowoak Nov 13 #1

No. boston bean Nov 13 #2

No, they did not cheat kansasobama Nov 13 #27

True, and they also cheated. Meadowoak Nov 13 #40

Yes, I think it is a combination of both PatSeg Nov 13 #49

Agree. ananda Nov 13 #67

Don't forget racist RainCaster Nov 13 #44

inflation poozwah Nov 13 #62

Nailed it! Unfortunately, Harris lost by a bigger margin than HRC- says a lot right there PortTack Nov 13 #63

What do you call gerrymandering? dickthegrouch Nov 13 #65

We had over a billion dollars and a ton of celebrities giving free mini concerts. jimfields33 Nov 14 #106

they passed a lot of voter suppression laws, used Russia to spew disinfo, called in bomb threats, threw out LymphocyteLover Nov 14 #102

Brilliant rebuttal asm128 Nov 13 #47

It's not up to Boston Bean to provide a rebuttal. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #56

"Democrats don't make claims without evidence." Zeitghost Nov 13 #77

I think something is stinky about this election, too, but when you bring it up you're immediately labeled a nut. Vinca Nov 13 #3

Also, the majority of Latino men voted Harris, Meadowoak Nov 13 #12

I believe that's incorrect. Latinas voted for Harris (around 60%) spooky3 Nov 13 #51

Poster said the same ...majority of latino men voted for trump... happy feet Nov 13 #86

No. I responded to Meadowoak, who said "Also, the majority of Latino men voted Harris," spooky3 Nov 13 #87

Agreed BonnieJW Nov 13 #22

Refuse all you want there, BonnieJW. jaxexpat Nov 13 #29

hands Pilgrim1867 Nov 13 #66

hands Pilgrim1867 Nov 13 #70

This! Blue_Roses Nov 14 #97

I would like bdamomma Nov 14 #103

I have a good friend who Blue_Roses Nov 14 #104

It looks like there is no genuine desire to find out the truth of this election. Won fairly or stolen? If we don't..... usaf-vet Nov 13 #25

If both sides keep making baseless claims that we don't have free and fair elections in the US all is lost. Fish700 Nov 13 #90

either provide specific examples or please stop with this Amishman Nov 13 #36

Exactly HarryM Nov 13 #39

Sure they do. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #61

Bullshit. We lost because the majority of the voting public are fucking assholes. GoYouPackersGo Nov 14 #92

More than one thing can be true JI7 Nov 13 #4

Racism played a huge part JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #5

Jen, I don't disagree, but Hillary lost too. boston bean Nov 13 #7

Hillary won the popular vote biophile Nov 13 #17

Majority of white women did not vote for Hillary. boston bean Nov 13 #82

No, but according to Pew Validated Voters study, white women voted spooky3 Nov 13 #88

It played a role, but sexism played a much bigger one AkFemDem Nov 13 #8

Yes they hate black women Henry203 Nov 13 #10

Take public transportation for a couple of days CrispyQ Nov 13 #30

Sexism is 100% a main issue in this debacle AkFemDem Nov 13 #6

Maybe you see gender as the main reason Keepthesoulalive Nov 13 #76

Blue leaning Southern states elected a black man... and they... AkFemDem Nov 13 #78

Also another role of sexism here is the dating scene AkFemDem Nov 13 #79

The black woman was on Biden's ticket. Keepthesoulalive Nov 13 #80

You are right. Blue_Roses Nov 14 #98

Even now there is criticism of the Dog Killer JI7 Nov 13 #9

Grievance crowd kerouac2 Nov 13 #11

We lost because a large segement of Independent and MAGA voters don't trust either party. We were ... marble falls Nov 13 #13

Spot on Theproletariat Nov 13 #64

I'm Glad Willard123 Nov 14 #107

This SHOULD be discussed DemonGoddess Nov 13 #14

I could not have said it any better Sister. Ladyhawke1 Nov 13 #15

they won because they lied. over and over, about everything. and they had a symphony of liars behind them. mopinko Nov 13 #16

If there had been no inflation and everything else was perfect, we still wouldn't elect a woman as president. Walleye Nov 13 #18

Personally, I believe there's a segment of the male population that LOVES to be the only.. chouchou Nov 13 #19

Some young men on the internet pointed out how grandma & granddad never got divorced CrispyQ Nov 13 #34

That's a great point! I forgot about that but, young women need to have that reality as Ammunition. chouchou Nov 13 #75

well said bcbink Nov 13 #20

"Men don't like smart girls" Diamond_Dog Nov 13 #60

1971 or so - My own mother told me not to be too obvious about being... 3catwoman3 Nov 13 #74

I agree with you that as guys we don't see the threat the same EdmondDantes_ Nov 13 #21

My sense is after Georgia black women showed cachukis Nov 13 #23

I think the top post is premature Jarqui Nov 13 #24

Sexism, racism - and misinformation. yardwork Nov 13 #26

There is an element of racism mnhtnbb Nov 13 #28

It was magical. Hope22 Nov 13 #31

It's the patriarchy. Pacifist Patriot Nov 13 #32

Racism is a HUGE part ... think of why they still call it Obamacare and claim that they hate it. Even the name... JT45242 Nov 13 #33

Then why was Obama elected TWICE? valleyrogue Nov 13 #43

That's naive. marmar Nov 13 #50

She was the vastly superior candidate by any objective measure Orrex Nov 13 #35

And just plain stupid people Blue_Roses Nov 14 #100

There were a bunch of voters that voted for AOC and fuckface. Lucky Luciano Nov 13 #37

AOC is a congresswomen. Women get elected to Congress pretty often these days. Ocelot II Nov 13 #53

I agree and I care! paleotn Nov 13 #38

Thank you. Silver Gaia Nov 13 #52

Although I agree somewhat LittleGirl Nov 13 #41

Its only beginning Pilgrim1867 Nov 13 #42

Well, aren't you just a big ray Blue_Roses Nov 14 #101

The Nickname "Karen" Need to be Abolished yellowdogdemocrat1 Nov 13 #45

AGree, it started on reddit by some pathetic guy who got dumped that LizBeth Nov 13 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Silver Gaia Nov 13 #46

We need to think about where in our culture respect for women is taught/learned dlk Nov 13 #48

Hmm. I dunno about that. At least not in my community. These issues were in play in a major way, and we talked about msfiddlestix Nov 13 #54

Post removed Post removed Nov 13 #55

We lost because we spent $1 billion on TV ads, but no social media online where we iuld mahina Nov 13 #57

Here's what I heard while canvassing neighbors SARose Nov 13 #58

It's the right wing propaganda outlets like FQX that are ruining this Country KS Toronado Nov 13 #73

Fox's non-election year audience Zeitghost Nov 13 #81

Kamala's debate performance Marigold Nov 13 #59

Yeah 20/20 I think the same Roc2020 Nov 13 #68

My young, white, male neighbor agrees with you. Silver Gaia Nov 13 #71

This article i posted points out some trends from the election Mosby Nov 13 #72

Democrats lose because republicans got their voters out to vote. republianmushroom Nov 13 #83

Yeah it is pretty obvious when two of the smartest and most Bev54 Nov 13 #84

Of course and we know that they feel invincible moniss Nov 13 #85

Misogyny is the oldest form of bigotry in the world, and the most powerful soldierant Nov 13 #89

Good men DO care about this. The problem is, awful, horrible men VASTLY outnumber the good ones. GoYouPackersGo Nov 14 #91

Nothing changes, everything stays the same BigmanPigman Nov 14 #93

You got the misogyny right 👍 FirstLight Nov 14 #94

Ten million voters stayed home that cast ballots in 2020. Why? Evolve Dammit Nov 14 #95

It gets down to whom we marry and how we raise sons mainer Nov 14 #96

Women bdamomma Nov 14 #99

Sex and race was a part of why we lost. I think Joe Biden was always a moderate doc03 Nov 14 #105