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In reply to the discussion: How Did Americans Lose Critical Thinking [View all]erronis
(23,660 posts)37. Carl Sagan talked quite a bit about critical thinking and its lack thereof.
From "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World
What Mack really means when he talks about beings from other
dimensions is that, despite his patients' occasional descriptions of
their experiences as dreams and hallucinations, he hasn't the
foggiest notion of what they are. But, tellingly, when he tries to
describe them, he reaches for physics and mathematics. He wants
it both ways - the language and credibility of science, but without
being bound by its method and rules. He seems not to realize that
the credibility is a consequence of the method.
The main challenge posed by Mack's cases is the old one of
how to teach critical thinking more broadly and more deeply in
a society - conceivably even including Harvard professors of
psychiatry - awash in gullibility. The idea that critical thinking
is the latest western fad is silly. If you're buying a used car in
Singapore or Bangkok, or a used chariot in ancient Susa or
Rome, the same precautions will be useful as in Cambridge,
Massachusetts.
dimensions is that, despite his patients' occasional descriptions of
their experiences as dreams and hallucinations, he hasn't the
foggiest notion of what they are. But, tellingly, when he tries to
describe them, he reaches for physics and mathematics. He wants
it both ways - the language and credibility of science, but without
being bound by its method and rules. He seems not to realize that
the credibility is a consequence of the method.
The main challenge posed by Mack's cases is the old one of
how to teach critical thinking more broadly and more deeply in
a society - conceivably even including Harvard professors of
psychiatry - awash in gullibility. The idea that critical thinking
is the latest western fad is silly. If you're buying a used car in
Singapore or Bangkok, or a used chariot in ancient Susa or
Rome, the same precautions will be useful as in Cambridge,
Massachusetts.
These are all cases of proved or presumptive baloney. A
deception arises, sometimes innocently but collaboratively, some-
times with cynical premeditation. Usually the victim is caught up
in a powerful emotion - wonder, fear, greed, grief. Credulous
acceptance of baloney can cost you money; that's what P.T.
Barnum meant when he said, 'There's a sucker born every
minute'. But it can be much more dangerous than that, and when
governments and societies lose the capacity for critical thinking,
the results can be catastrophic, however sympathetic we may be to
those who have bought the baloney.
deception arises, sometimes innocently but collaboratively, some-
times with cynical premeditation. Usually the victim is caught up
in a powerful emotion - wonder, fear, greed, grief. Credulous
acceptance of baloney can cost you money; that's what P.T.
Barnum meant when he said, 'There's a sucker born every
minute'. But it can be much more dangerous than that, and when
governments and societies lose the capacity for critical thinking,
the results can be catastrophic, however sympathetic we may be to
those who have bought the baloney.
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the signs were there for years? I mean, who is driving teslers, or shopping at walmart
Nimble_Idea
Mar 2025
#2
I think a look at one religion goes a long way toward answering your question:
Scrivener7
Mar 2025
#17
And there is a built in indoctrination mechanism in these increasingly popular high-demand congregations.
Scrivener7
Mar 2025
#23
A way to shorten everyone's attention spans, and to make concentration harder . . .
hatrack
Mar 2025
#22
During the pandemic, I watched people die because they refused treatment because of MAGA disinformation.
Midnight Writer
Mar 2025
#24
by using non-critical thinking--they get to believe in the reality they want vs. the reality that is
cadoman
Mar 2025
#25
There's always been a strong anti-intellectual bias among a certain segment of the American population, along with a
Martin68
Mar 2025
#33
I don't see it as a "loss of critical thinking." The reality is that people have always been drawn to populist promises*
Oopsie Daisy
Mar 2025
#34
MAGA believes both: J6 was a day of tourism & love; it was a false flag op by antifa & FBI
Martin Eden
Mar 2025
#43