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In reply to the discussion: If the Democrats actually won the presidential elections in 2016 and 2024 [View all]
Initech
(107,769 posts)42. We need to fight the propagandists, they are the real problem!
Bill Burr was absolutely 100% correct when he called Fox and CNN a disease. They are what is keeping this country from having free elections. And right now we're unfortunately stuck with a fucking asshole who's convinced he's just president of Fox News viewers. 
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If the Democrats actually won the presidential elections in 2016 and 2024 [View all]
milestogo
Aug 2025
OP
I hope we learned that not voting after Bernie lost the primary in 2016 and Palestine protest
walkingman
Aug 2025
#5
Hillary did not get 7 million more votes than Trump in 2016. She won the popular vote by around 2.87 million.
Celerity
Aug 2025
#62
It got closer, BUT in Clinton's favour, as the CA totals finally came in. She was never 7 million up in the popular vote
Celerity
Aug 2025
#89
And if, as those of us in the reality based community know, Dems indeed lost in 2016 and 2024?
Fiendish Thingy
Aug 2025
#3
America is too masyganistic and racist. We will lose unless we run a white man.
Meadowoak
Aug 2025
#18
Actually yes... because there are different kinds of communication skills.
thesquanderer
Aug 2025
#59
I don't believe the 2024 election was stolen, but Harris was an outstanding candidate & ran an almost flawless campaign,
CrispyQ
Aug 2025
#4
There's a lot of shame to go around... especially with the saboteurs encouraging the "Uncommitted Movement" *
Oopsie Daisy
Aug 2025
#17
Why would someone rig a handful of small precincts in a state that Harris would win easily?
MichMan
Aug 2025
#86
Harris was such an outstanding candidate that I was 100% certain that she would crush the crazy perv.
Dave Bowman
Aug 2025
#54
There is nothing productive in embracing Trump-style election denialism and similarly delusional conspiracy theories.
tritsofme
Aug 2025
#6
So you think Democratic leaders should intentionally spread false conspiracy theories to rile people up?
tritsofme
Aug 2025
#32
This actually raises an interesting question of how Democrats *should* respond to GOP messaging psyops
0rganism
Aug 2025
#41
You might be right. I used to think left-leaning voters wouldn't be quite as responsive to lies and manipulation
tritsofme
Aug 2025
#77
How? What power did Al Gore have to overrule the Supreme Court? Or even Bill Clinton as President at the time? There
KPN
Aug 2025
#36
Yep...the they go low we go high BS is history. Newsom and other Governors are looking to redraw
Bengus81
Aug 2025
#81
Given the faulty premise this is founded on the naval gazing is absolutely important
EdmondDantes_
Aug 2025
#9
If Harris would have garnered the same women's vote that Biden did she would have won.
Bengus81
Aug 2025
#82
Our candidates weren't the problem, look at how many idiots are out there and voting.
Pompoy
Aug 2025
#26
It is time to demand UN observers. We insisted on this with other countries in the 70's and 80's
LT Barclay
Aug 2025
#27