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Jim Warren

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:49 PM Dec 2012

Michael Moore: It's the Guns - But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns [View all]

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There are plenty of guns in Canada – and yet the annual gun murder count in Canada is around 200 deaths. In fact, because of its proximity, Canada's culture is very similar to ours – the kids play the same violent video games, watch the same movies and TV shows, and yet they don't grow up wanting to kill each other. Switzerland has the third-highest number of guns per capita on earth, but still a low murder rate.

So – why us?

I posed this question a decade ago in my film Bowling for Columbine, and this week, I have had little to say because I feel I said what I had to say 10 years ago – and it doesn't seem to have done a whole lot of good other than to now look like it was actually a crystal ball posing as a movie.

This is what I said then, and it is what I will say again today:

1. We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty. Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. It's invasion as foreign policy. Sure there's Iraq and Afghanistan – but we've been invaders since we "conquered the wild west" and now we're hooked so bad we don't even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn't hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don't have a loved one over there don't spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.

2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, number one in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other


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"Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem "... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #1
Neither of which had anything to do with the school shooting oberliner Dec 2012 #23
But probably have a lot to do with the c. 12K murders a year that aren't in schools. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #24
"We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. " Pholus Dec 2012 #28
Take away all the guns -- that does not cure the sanity problem. immoderate Dec 2012 #2
It cures the mass shooting problem JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #25
It's the last two sentences that he'll need to do some rewriting around. libdem4life Dec 2012 #3
No he was clear. If we can alleviate poverty, which drives property crimes, then Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #7
Following Portugal in decriminalizing drugs and treating it as a public health issue AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #11
I'm not sure if it's entirely being "chicken shits", it could also be an undeniable sense of the patrice Dec 2012 #14
Truly, truly speaking the truth! malibea Dec 2012 #17
Maybe our fear comes in large part from our diversity Egnever Dec 2012 #4
But why do they fear the others? malibea Dec 2012 #18
As much as I love MM, I have to disagree. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #5
It's lots of things. I'm glad we're at least thinking. Gregorian Dec 2012 #6
Too many bees in the hive? Jim Warren Dec 2012 #10
Thanks. I know that trend. It does appear to contradict what I'm saying. Gregorian Dec 2012 #31
I agree with you. Population density breeds discontent. randome Dec 2012 #27
"2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. " Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #8
I agree and also wonder about Conservatism as a political movement and how the American version BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #20
I agree with you Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #21
Why did he ignore the points he has made earlier green for victory Dec 2012 #9
It's our willingness to use them... Deep13 Dec 2012 #12
The huge 5-ton gorilla in the room is FOX NEWS & RUSH LIMPBALLS loudsue Dec 2012 #13
I HATE that MM uses Canada as an example. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #15
It's also theKed Dec 2012 #16
Yep. US is nearly triple Canada per capita. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #19
Yeah theKed Dec 2012 #30
Even our national anthem celebrates the glory of war. Kablooie Dec 2012 #22
So does the French anthem. You don't hear a lot about gun violence there. RagAss Dec 2012 #32
Unlike Canada, Our Nation is Especially Chock Ful O' Nuts and Bigots Iggy Dec 2012 #26
I might add that Toronto Dec 2012 #29
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