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ancianita

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53. WarGamer? You've no idea how wrong you are. ANTI-fascist equals
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:46 AM
Sep 2025

ántifa. As in ANTI = AGAINST. fa is short for fascism. You misunderstand the history of antifa.
We went over this term during the felon's first term.

We say the word ANtifa, or antiFA ------- not anTIfa.
EMphasis on the first syllable, or even on the last , BUT NOT not on the middle syllable.

Counterrevolutionary anti-fascism, also known as conservative and liberal anti-fascism, refers to the opposition to fascism grounded in the defense of democracy, constitutional order, and traditional institutions. Unlike revolutionary anti-fascism, which aims for social and political transformation, counterrevolutionary anti-fascism is focused on preserving or restoring pre-war political systems, such as constitutional monarchies and republics based on Enlightenment ideals.[17][18][19][20]

This form of anti-fascism is often associated with prominent figures such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle, who opposed fascist authoritarianism while also resisting revolutionary movements that sought to radically change society.[18][21] It was supported by a broad coalition of groups, including capitalists, trade unionists, social democrats, and traditionalists, all of whom united in their opposition to fascism and their support for political stability.[18][19][21]

Counterrevolutionary anti-fascism sought to challenge fascist ideologies and movements, aiming to preserve existing democratic structures and stabilize society. It focused on reinforcing confidence in democratic governance and addressing extremist movements, setting itself apart from revolutionary anti-fascism, which frequently aimed at challenging capitalist systems.[18][19]

During the Spanish civil war against Franco...Thousands of people from many countries went to Spain in support of the anti-fascist cause, joining units such as the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, the British Battalion, the Dabrowski Battalion, the Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion, the Naftali Botwin Company and the Thälmann Battalion, including Winston Churchill's nephew, Esmond Romilly.[65] Notable anti-fascists who worked internationally against Franco included: George Orwell (who fought in the POUM militia and wrote Homage to Catalonia about his experience), Ernest Hemingway (a supporter of the International Brigades who wrote For Whom the Bell Tolls about his experience), and the radical journalist Martha Gellhorn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

You define antifa the way the Nazi right wing does in this country. Know why antifa got shit back in trump's first term? Because they had success against white supremacy hate groups! Politico and establishment media have been too lazy to bother with anti-fascist history.

"Anarchist extremists" are usually police infiltrators and their provocateurs paid to justify police beatdowns of otherwise peaceful protestors with right on their side.

U.S. DEFENDERS (antifa) will be framed as the bad guys, as they were in Germany, Italy, Spain and Wall Street, you idiot.

The state can't have the working class organizing for their own self-defense because eventually everyone will understand who ELSE is the enemy alongside the fascists. And who abets the fascists.

Remember the assassinations of the 1960s/70s. Remember them. Same modus operandi from the state.


So don't get the concept or reality of antifa twisted. All the big photos here won't change antifa history.
Don't present the German version of antifa as the last word on what antifa really, truly is worldwide.

I posted about antifa 5 years ago on DU. In it was the only written response by antifa in the U.S. in its history.
At the time the post got over 4,000 views. If I were you, I'd define someone by how they define themselves and their actions. Not by how Germany defined them. And they certainly are NOT now nor were ever a communist front. Not at all.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213527954


Ultimately, the fascists are part of the defense of the capitalist state AGAINST the working class. Those two are on the same side and it is NOT on the side of the masses. Antifa is the masses. We are all antifa.

I said it then and I'll say it again: there's never been anything to fear about antifa. Western European countries give thanks to antifa for their very existence. I'm glad they're around, and will never let anyone tell me who they are and where. They're everywhere.

Your whole post has antifa all twisted.
And YES, grandpa was antifa.

I appreciate you, WarGamer but you need to read this damn book.





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Fascism Fact Sheet - US Army ZDU Sep 2025 #1
irrelevant to my post. WarGamer Sep 2025 #4
Thank you! ZDU Sep 2025 #21
Well that's pretty interesting... jmbar2 Sep 2025 #33
Wrong SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #2
S/He's not "wrong" AZJonnie Sep 2025 #7
Read it again SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #8
Okay, that one word is probably incorrect AZJonnie Sep 2025 #11
It's not correct in the least SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #12
I don't disagree with what you're asserting Antifa is today. AZJonnie Sep 2025 #16
It's an effective fucking meme, comparing gis to antifa SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #17
No it isn't. Because the military is not "anti-fascist". LeftInTX Sep 2025 #19
Youre disagreeing with OP SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #23
It actually goes both ways. Because they are not the same. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #29
I do understand why you took it in totality the way you did. Perhaps WG will come along to clarify. AZJonnie Sep 2025 #20
I took it in totality because HE said modern antifa is simply a front group for the communism SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #24
Yes, I already said I understood why you took it the way you did. The word "today" clouded the point. AZJonnie Sep 2025 #25
I could have used the term neo-antifa I guess... WarGamer Sep 2025 #40
I think you're engaging in sophistry SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #43
Fortunately I never claimed that. WarGamer Sep 2025 #44
Spurious SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #45
Fun fact! dpibel Sep 2025 #51
Hey on the plus side the OP managed to get through a comment about WW2 BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #31
I never said that... got a link? WarGamer Sep 2025 #41
Thanks for the history lesson. Always good to have the facts AZJonnie Sep 2025 #3
Salem, Oregon Ani Yun Wiya Sep 2025 #38
Ah, thank you AZJonnie Sep 2025 #39
Speak for yourself WSHazel Sep 2025 #5
You're completely missing the point. WarGamer Sep 2025 #6
These people are (or were, until recently) out in the streets actually fighting real neo-nazis SamuelTheThird Sep 2025 #9
GIs were absolutely anti-fascist in service DoBW Sep 2025 #34
Neither should people who want Medicare For All leftstreet Sep 2025 #10
Really, nobody in the USA uses the term Antifa in that sense. MineralMan Sep 2025 #13
Your dad was under orders of the US military which was fighting Germany, which happened to be fascist. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #15
More nomenclature. MineralMan Sep 2025 #18
My dad got in during Korea. He was a B29 pilot. Then stayed in for 20 years. He was also sent to Vietnam LeftInTX Sep 2025 #26
Thank you! GI's are not protesters! The US military is also not technically "anti-fascist". LeftInTX Sep 2025 #14
Words can have more than one meaning LostOne4Ever Sep 2025 #22
Calling Antifa an "organization" today is a stretch. yardwork Sep 2025 #27
Don't Exist OC375 Sep 2025 #28
It does exist. Portland has an active group. You can read more on their website: LeftInTX Sep 2025 #32
... BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #30
nice meme WarGamer Sep 2025 #42
Wingnuts/MAGAts from their ignorance usually blur words/concepts, such as saying "We are a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY" & UTUSN Sep 2025 #35
Oddly, if you ask any Republican if they support fascism they would say, "No". LeftInTX Sep 2025 #37
Remind me again which side Stalin and the USSR ended up on in World War Two? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2025 #36
Many of them also fought against Communists in the Korean War LeftInTX Sep 2025 #46
Trump would love your OP. Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #47
ok WarGamer Sep 2025 #48
When are you headed over to Glendale for the big CK lovefest? BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #49
What's in Glendale? Other than nice rug and flooring stores? WarGamer Sep 2025 #50
Maybe Huntington Beach would be more of his vibe? fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #56
Democrats are the party of slavery Buzz cook Sep 2025 #52
WarGamer? You've no idea how wrong you are. ANTI-fascist equals ancianita Sep 2025 #53
All that time and effort and still wrong. WarGamer Sep 2025 #55
Yes. ancianita Sep 2025 #57
And how can you say they were "never" a communist front group. WarGamer Sep 2025 #59
Here is antifa's letter to trump, the first and last time antifa in the U.S. spoke up for itself. ancianita Sep 2025 #54
Neo-Nazis aren't an organization either... it's a loose alliance of like minded people mirroring a historical group WarGamer Sep 2025 #58
I'm going to self del... not because it's inaccurate... WarGamer Sep 2025 #60
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