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AZJonnie

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33. Because

Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:19 PM

Oct 2025

a) It's risky to KEEP doing it, or do it TOO obviously.
b) the prize was Trump & GOP majorities in both Houses, and they got that. I think they also basically flipped every Senate seat that was legitimately considered "up for grabs".

To be clear I'm not asserting it WAS stolen, I'm only answering your questions as if it WERE the case. Which I doubt, but I'm open to the idea, esp. if the theory plausibly involves only a handful of actors.

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BOMBSHELL CLAIM: TRUMP DID NOT WIN 2024, ELECTION MANIPULATED [View all] CNYHarris Oct 2025 OP

Auditing could be too late CNYHarris Oct 2025 #1

WOW John Coktosten Oct 2025 #2

Trump wants to ban mail in ballots CNYHarris Oct 2025 #3

No, you can't call the voter to see true voter intent. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #75

There have been plenty of posts about these election denial conspiracy theories. tritsofme Oct 2025 #4

I won't ever believe he was elected. BurnDoubt Oct 2025 #5

I've never believed it either BonnieJW Oct 2025 #36

And (correct me if I'm wrong here); robbob Oct 2025 #81

The closest swing state was Wisconsin... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #94

Ok, I guess it was just another internet rumour. robbob Oct 2025 #143

No RandySF Oct 2025 #6

It was rigged from the start 31st Street Bridge Oct 2025 #7

I believe we have to focus on your concern. yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #82

Most definately. Very evident when you have precincts that voted all democrat with Trump for president. LiberalArkie Oct 2025 #91

I have thought this since the election took place. Trump was thanking Musk for the use of his computers. OLDMDDEM Oct 2025 #8

I watched about half of this creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #9

if only NJCher Oct 2025 #11

OK, I'll watch the rest creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #18

I watched the rest creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #38

Voting machines are not programmed with lots of people around questionseverything Oct 2025 #60

Yes, they are. creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #160

Refer to post # 71 pls questionseverything Oct 2025 #162

What do you want me to see there? creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #164

I gave up on this kind of fact-free clickbait long ago. Good on you Maru Kitteh Oct 2025 #122

That's the problem for more exposure lildDemz Oct 2025 #39

Yeah, it's funny how the conspiracy theorists who make these videos... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #14

I understood that what they do, which I have to assume they do before they open the doors for the public, is Escurumbele Oct 2025 #19

For that to work... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #21

Follow the tabulators Doremus Oct 2025 #58

In Virginia... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #63

Do you understand, you can't see software? questionseverything Oct 2025 #67

Having been a computer programmer ... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #69

Not if a predetermined result was programmed in at the factory questionseverything Oct 2025 #71

I'm saying ... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #77

Musk knew that the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&E and Dominion Voting Systems had Botany Oct 2025 #120

No state uses a single set of "central tabulators" to count all of the state's vote... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #121

The flipping of votes from Harris to Trump and or the deletions of Harris votes were not pre programed into Botany Oct 2025 #124

But for all of the tabulators... SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #129

Musk by passed the internet with his use of Starlink and DTC .... direct to cell .... in getting data from and or ... Botany Oct 2025 #133

There's no cell phone connection either. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #135

Your post brought up some issues I remember from... Chemical Bill Oct 2025 #132

I'm an election worker and that can't be done Kaleva Oct 2025 #30

Same n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #35

Observer for more than a decade - same. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #148

It would not be that easy. creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #41

Thank you for adding some reason and reality to this discussion AverageOldGuy Oct 2025 #84

How it was done is not the first question. returnee Oct 2025 #85

If there is no explanation for how it could be done creeksneakers2 Oct 2025 #163

when all is said and done NJCher Oct 2025 #10

The last legitimate win for a republican for POTUS was in 1956 and in every case starting with Nixon in '68 Botany Oct 2025 #22

Bush v. Gore being a classic example Ritabert Oct 2025 #40

What Botany said! yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #88

2024, 2016, 2004, 2000 yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #87

Election deniers get old. Silent Type Oct 2025 #12

I guess we love our country more than NJCher Oct 2025 #25

Nah, it's just kind of a sad spectacle at this point. Just like 9/11 truthers, moon landing deniers, tritsofme Oct 2025 #26

you always have the same comment NJCher Oct 2025 #29

Yes, I happen to exist in the reality based community. tritsofme Oct 2025 #32

common answer, again NJCher Oct 2025 #145

Until the facts change, the comment doesn't need to change EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #95

again NJCher Oct 2025 #146

LOL. Silent Type Oct 2025 #46

Everybody gets old if they're lucky. returnee Oct 2025 #89

The Election Truth Alliance is garbage EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #13

Grifting grifters are going to grift gullible rubes, that is a given. tritsofme Oct 2025 #16

explain it, then NJCher Oct 2025 #28

I'm not the one making the unsupported conspiracy theory EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #100

strictly your opinion NJCher Oct 2025 #144

You Already Know What i'm Going To Say Mr.Bee Oct 2025 #15

Well, Democrats better do something about it because it will only get worst for the 2026 and 2028 elections. Escurumbele Oct 2025 #17

Supposing for a moment their claims are true EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #20

Because AZJonnie Oct 2025 #33

Given it would require actors all over the country, including Democrats, nope. EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #103

Did you watch the show? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #107

We already know. live love laugh Oct 2025 #23

Doesn't really matter at this point does it? BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2025 #24

Interesting stuff, I will look forward to the follow-up interview AZJonnie Oct 2025 #27

You're missing the bit about the swing states using paper ballots Abnredleg Oct 2025 #42

I hope it did not sound like I was conveying that I thought the CT presented by the guest was LIKELY AZJonnie Oct 2025 #98

And how many check vote ballots do they run in their test. Less than 500? Festivito Oct 2025 #155

It's not that past a certain threshold all votes were recorded for *rump questionseverything Oct 2025 #49

Depends on recounting paper ballots. We're not allowed to recount paper ballots. Festivito Oct 2025 #31

Paper ballots are counted during risk limiting audits /nt Abnredleg Oct 2025 #43

No they aren't, a small sample are counted not even an entire precinct questionseverything Oct 2025 #50

Yes, it is understood that audits work off samples Abnredleg Oct 2025 #52

Counting paper ballots openly and transparently would work too questionseverything Oct 2025 #56

The audits are done in front of observers Abnredleg Oct 2025 #61

No one is suggesting counting the entire county at once questionseverything Oct 2025 #66

I've yet to find an election official of either party Abnredleg Oct 2025 #72

Democracy demands transparency for the average citizen so questionseverything Oct 2025 #79

All parties have observers watching every step of the process Abnredleg Oct 2025 #90

Full public view means, where the public can see questionseverything Oct 2025 #97

There is a reason no election officials support hand counts Abnredleg Oct 2025 #99

*rump's people were trying to cause crap, I simply want transparency questionseverything Oct 2025 #106

Abnredleg, you make some misleading/false statements. Festivito Oct 2025 #154

The green obnoxiousdrunk Oct 2025 #34

Please Watch This Video ... kooth Oct 2025 #37

Does it explain how they got around the audits Abnredleg Oct 2025 #45

I remain malaise Oct 2025 #44

He brings up some good points, the data look quite suspicious, but there is no Fil1957 Oct 2025 #47

Do you want a Smoking Gun? Botany Oct 2025 #54

How would they know which ballot to toss? Kaleva Oct 2025 #57

It's actually illegal to look at the paper ballots in Florida questionseverything Oct 2025 #64

Same in Michigan Kaleva Oct 2025 #128

It's not that they are tossing ballots questionseverything Oct 2025 #153

But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted Kaleva Oct 2025 #157

That's the point, the results published don't match what actually happened questionseverything Oct 2025 #161

But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted Kaleva Oct 2025 #158

Peter Thiel's Palantir was and is very good at running large batch files of data and democratic leaning voters Botany Oct 2025 #65

But how do you match the ballot with the dem leaning voter? Kaleva Oct 2025 #130

I. D. K. Botany Oct 2025 #134

The point is they are publishing results that are inaccurate questionseverything Oct 2025 #136

Voter suppression is well documented going back to the 2000 presidential election. My point is that as long there are Fil1957 Oct 2025 #101

I disagree with you but in a nice way. Botany Oct 2025 #118

I, 100% agree about that 30% bluestarone Oct 2025 #123

And call me a conspiracy nut but I think the planned and calculated crippling of education helps in the .. Botany Oct 2025 #126

Man, you got that right! bluestarone Oct 2025 #127

Oy Vey DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2025 #48

This is NOT a both sides do it situation. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #51

We could count the paper ballots openly and transparently questionseverything Oct 2025 #55

There's a reason why fraud cases have to be " pled with particularity" Abnredleg Oct 2025 #59

Can I prove there was cheating? No. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #68

Sure, you can find statistical arguments to support your claim Abnredleg Oct 2025 #76

The evidence presented answers most questions that might be brought up. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #137

My skepticism comes from decades of government IT Abnredleg Oct 2025 #139

I appreciate your experience and knowledge. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #141

The delays due to bombs were made up Abnredleg Oct 2025 #142

Very compelling facts, thank you. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #147

Statistics can be manipulated, that's why risk limiting audits are worthless questionseverything Oct 2025 #109

Different type of statistical analysis Abnredleg Oct 2025 #114

lol, ok , so your statistics good, election integrity statistics bad questionseverything Oct 2025 #116

The statistical methods used to select random samples Abnredleg Oct 2025 #140

See post #71 questionseverything Oct 2025 #151

These graphs aren't "statistics". They are actual votes. The graphs aren't BComplex Oct 2025 #156

Well said. yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #96

C'mon everybody, no two or more people would ever agree in secret to break the law Gaugamela Oct 2025 #53

I know! Right? That's why there's NO SUCH WORD!!! "Conspiracy"! No such word. BComplex Oct 2025 #159

Like moths to a flame JoseBalow Oct 2025 #62

Uh oh---gatekeepers not liking this one at all. Kingofalldems Oct 2025 #70

Bev Harris? madinmaryland Oct 2025 #73

"I just want to find 11,780, uh, votes." Kid Berwyn Oct 2025 #74

Whatever became of the claim here there were a couple of counties in New York where Harris did not receive a single vote Gimpyknee Oct 2025 #78

The county is fighting tooth and nail to make sure regular human beings don't get to count those ballots questionseverything Oct 2025 #104

The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide annielion Oct 2025 #112

Pure clickbait... but without the ALL CAPS YELLOW IMPACT FONT, and a YELLOW ARROW pointing at Trump. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #80

Bull. n/t returnee Oct 2025 #92

Could we please stop this "Trump did not win in 2024" bullshit??? AverageOldGuy Oct 2025 #83

Good luck with that. This seems to be unlikely. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #119

Thanks for your service as an election worker dwayneb Oct 2025 #138

Yup. Joinfortmill Oct 2025 #86

Computer voting systems are always hackable. Always. annielion Oct 2025 #93

I got tired of being yelled at for linking the unbelievable evidence Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #102

I would call the "evidence" not believable v. unbelievable n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2025 #105

I believe Statitstics, Numbers and Math Mr.Bee Oct 2025 #108

My two cents? MAGA has B.See Oct 2025 #113

Especially when the piece of shit himself announces before the election that his friend musk knows those voting machine Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #115

Here Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #117

Perhaps not as amazed as you might think. B.See Oct 2025 #131

Not a thread on this? Seriously? Offhand, I can recall a number of them posted niyad Oct 2025 #110

Three parts make sure to watch them all. No it isn't a comedian making the claim Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #111

Trump fans not liking this thread one bit. Kingofalldems Oct 2025 #125

Post removed Post removed Oct 2025 #150

Whatcha got against Halloween? berniesandersmittens Oct 2025 #152

There was no fix. The Right Wing Controls the Media. Americans Are Stupid. MAGA is a cult. Simple as that. NT Blasphemer Oct 2025 #149