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Layzeebeaver

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40. It's taken me awhile to pull this together in a manner that folks can consume...
Tue Feb 24, 2026, 04:22 PM
12 hrs ago

Also, I've pasted stuff from multiple sources, apologies for formatting issues.

U.S Carrier group defending against (CM02-type for example) supersonic anti-ship missiles...

Step 1) Find it early (so you can shoot it earlier)
- Use E-2D Advanced Hawkeye: airborne early warning / battle management; helps cue the group’s air and missile defence picture.
- Aegis Combat System on cruisers/destroyers: integrates sensors and weapons for fleet air defence.

(In wargame terms: “if you don’t detect/track early, every later layer gets harder.” I'm an old wargamer, so apologies if I get way to technical here)

Step 2) Outer “hard-kill” layer (the long arm for the Carrier group defense, so to speak) This is typically executed by Aegis escorts rather than the carrier itself:
- SM-6 (Standard Missile-6): multi-mission interceptor used for air defence, including against anti-ship missiles.
- SM-2: the US Navy’s primary surface-to-air fleet air-defence missile; also positioned as part of layered defence vs aircraft and missiles.

(Exactly who-shoots-what-when is obviously scenario dependent; but the point here is: area defence lives on the Aegis ships.)

Step 3) Middle “hard-kill” layer (point/ship self-defence missiles)
- ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile): explicitly designed to counter supersonic manoeuvring anti-ship missiles as a ship self-defence weapon.

Step 4) Inner “hard-kill” layer (last-ditch physical kill)
- RAM / SeaRAM: point-defence missile system originally intended primarily against anti-ship missiles.
- Phalanx CIWS: gun-based close-in system described as the last line of defence against anti-ship missiles.

Step 5) “Soft-kill” layer (decoys + electronic warfare) Keep in mind that this step is not actually "step 5", it's in play from the very beginning!
These sit alongside every hard-kill layer because making a missile miss is as valuable as shooting it down:
- Nulka: an offboard active decoy designed to “seduce” modern anti-ship missiles away from the ship - MK 53 Decoy Launching System (DLS)
- AN/SLQ-32 EW suite (and SEWIP upgrades): provides EW functions, including interfacing with decoy launchers and supporting ship self-defence.
- Mk 36 SRBOC chaff/IR decoys (often controlled via EW suite) are commonly discussed as part of the same defensive ecosystem.

So... if Iran had a CM-302-class missile, the challenge isn’t the warhead — it’s getting a high-speed missile through a carrier group’s defence-in-depth: E-2D + Aegis for early warning and long-range shots (SM-6/SM-2), then ESSM in the mid-layer, then RAM/SeaRAM and Phalanx up close — all while EW and decoys like Nulka try to break the missile’s terminal guidance.

Hope this helps everyone gain a bit more understanding...

EDIT: Sorry, one other thing to add. When folks say the missile can "weave" to avoid being hit, please keep in mind that this speaking of the "terminal Phase" when the missile is undergoing its final phase of flight - this weaving is typically not occurring during the transit phase of the flight.

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Aircraft Carriers Are Sitting Ducks [View all] gab13by13 16 hrs ago OP
I don't get it. We used to not attack countries if they didn't attack us. Walleye 16 hrs ago #1
We have been in Greg_In_SF 15 hrs ago #2
I know, but it still goes against our principles Walleye 15 hrs ago #4
Not really. GCG 15 hrs ago #10
OK, then, it goes against my principles and I get a vote, supposedly Walleye 15 hrs ago #13
That hasn't been a rule ever. Layzeebeaver 15 hrs ago #3
Well, we need to change that. Walleye 15 hrs ago #5
Absolutely! Layzeebeaver 15 hrs ago #7
We used to not attack countries without congressional approval... ananda 10 hrs ago #45
He'd consider an aircraft carrier an acceptable loss EYESORE 9001 15 hrs ago #6
+1 Then he'd get to build a new one! leftstreet 15 hrs ago #8
I apologize, gab13by13 15 hrs ago #9
Yep GCG 15 hrs ago #11
Well, true if... Layzeebeaver 15 hrs ago #12
The Cm-302 Chinese missile can fly 5 to 10 meters from the water, it skims over the water. gab13by13 14 hrs ago #16
Fair enough. But it is also important to consider the effective "defense in depth" design of a carrier group. Layzeebeaver 13 hrs ago #33
Damn RoseTrellis 10 hrs ago #46
There are radar guided 30 mm guns that can shoot down such missiles. Jacson6 15 hrs ago #14
They better aim low, gab13by13 14 hrs ago #20
US Navy has some pretty good defenses against wave skimmers. haele 13 hrs ago #32
They do aim low. n/t Jacson6 6 hrs ago #49
Well maybe just maybe if TSF knows he gonna lose everything,THIS bluestarone 15 hrs ago #15
Vastly underestimating Boo1 14 hrs ago #17
The carriers are so vulnerable sarisataka 14 hrs ago #18
Has there ever been a supersonic missile gab13by13 14 hrs ago #21
The USN is aware of the threat. Happy Hoosier 14 hrs ago #23
Sea skimming missiles are not new to warfare sarisataka 14 hrs ago #27
The USS Bismarck Sea was a Casablanca Class Escort Carrier. VGNonly 12 hrs ago #42
That is correct sarisataka 10 hrs ago #43
The other Essex Class carrier VGNonly 9 hrs ago #47
No carrier has been sunk since WW2 GreatGazoo 14 hrs ago #19
I don't think so. Happy Hoosier 14 hrs ago #22
Sitting ducks was the wrong term to use, gab13by13 14 hrs ago #24
You should look into what a carrier group entails. Dreamer Tatum 14 hrs ago #25
Missiles are easy to get rid of Prairie Gates 14 hrs ago #26
Ya, Drones do concern most folks in the military. haele 12 hrs ago #34
Ha! Prairie Gates 12 hrs ago #35
China JOINS US Iran War: China ARMS Iran With Ship-Killer CM-302 Missiles Iran to SINK US Warships? Goonch 14 hrs ago #28
They dont have them yet. NT Layzeebeaver 12 hrs ago #37
No one is Greg_In_SF 14 hrs ago #29
Bookmarking Prairie Gates 12 hrs ago #36
Take it Greg_In_SF 12 hrs ago #41
4 of 5... Prairie Gates 10 hrs ago #44
A live image of a burning aircraft carrier C_U_L8R 13 hrs ago #30
PNAC Kid Berwyn 13 hrs ago #31
If our carrier is attacked by Iran Krasnov will declare war and take claim of his GoodRaisin 12 hrs ago #38
Hmmm. Is it possible? yellow dahlia 5 hrs ago #51
There's a reason few nations buy Chinese military equipment Kaleva 12 hrs ago #39
yeah the Chinese radars guarding Caracas in Venz. didn't do so well nt EX500rider 9 hrs ago #48
That turned out to be be a big waste of money Kaleva 3 hrs ago #52
It's taken me awhile to pull this together in a manner that folks can consume... Layzeebeaver 12 hrs ago #40
During the Falklands War 1982 VGNonly 5 hrs ago #50
because it is the sport of repug prezes since ron ray gun.( we have to punish iran) AllaN01Bear 2 hrs ago #53
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