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OldBaldy1701E

(10,976 posts)
53. I agree with you.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 04:55 PM
Yesterday

However, there is a big difference between 'circular firing squad' and 'debate'.

There have been too many times that I have seen 'debate' quashed because it questions the basis for things we have. Well, that is why the debate has to happen. Otherwise, we are just an 'echo chamber' that accomplishes nothing.

Blind conformity is one the things that put us here. I will not participate in such a thing.

I will question anything that does not make sense to me. If the others don't want to explain it, then I will see about finding out.

But, I will not participate in an 'echo chamber'. Just because it has a 'D' beside it does not automatically mean it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And, I will not act like that for any reason (other than getting something that meets that criteria). The Democratic Ideal is a great thing. But it is still an abstract ideal because of our society and how it operates. It can never be implemented because our very way of life is not analogous with that ideal. And, because of that same way of life, we cannot question why we cannot fix these things.

This is one of the main reasons why this nation is so screwed up. Blindly following something without discourse or examination. We have done it for too long.

I would add that it is also offensive to suggest that we just blindly follow the current situation as it is without discussing how to break free of the programming and stop these animals from ruining everything. Stopping them is going to include some 'rules breaking'. It will require doing more than maintaining the status quo in Congress.

Stopping the entire thing from ever happening again is going to take some serious consideration and examination for the very foundations of this nation. It will require debate on things that may not have been considered in the past. But, we have little choice. We have to do something. Now.

Will we?

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Preach Coach Traildogbob Yesterday #1
Fuck the high road and fuck the norms. Stop turning the other cheek. dalton99a Yesterday #2
Carrot and stick WSHazel Yesterday #4
We need leaders who will "get the lead out"... BattleRow Yesterday #17
Yes RetiredParatrooper Yesterday #51
I agree with him MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #3
Just think, he could be vice president now LiberalBrooke Yesterday #5
FYI: He made it clear he didn't have any presidential aspirations ... Auggie Yesterday #33
What does he mean by "breaking the norms"? An eviction freeze would go a long way toward walking the talk in MN rn. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #6
He was referring to Trump destroying things leftstreet Yesterday #8
I'd find it helpful if he had some examples of how he's doing that in MN WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #9
True enough n/t leftstreet Yesterday #10
He's talking about Dems doing more of what Republicans do. hamsterjill Yesterday #12
okay but like he could be doing this himself, yes? In Minnesota? Because I remember a lot of strongly worded statements WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #14
Yes, he most assuredly could be doing this - setting an example. hamsterjill Yesterday #37
I think Dems would have a great platform if dickthegrouch Yesterday #28
I think voters generally want and expect integrity from Democrats, but we've got to get control back first. hamsterjill Yesterday #41
Yep. The one option that's LEAST desirable calimary 17 hrs ago #58
I wish Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Schumer would take these words to heart Mysterian Yesterday #7
The most corrupt president in US history Grim Chieftain Yesterday #11
Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #56
here's something to chew on bigtree 8 hrs ago #73
Exactly! Betty Boom Yesterday #13
And that disapproval doesn't translate to Bettie 10 hrs ago #68
You betcha. (n/t) DJ Synikus Makisimus Yesterday #15
Yup. We coulda had him. And, Trump cheated. Just saying, peeps. Joinfortmill Yesterday #16
We dems have been engaged in a war popsdenver Yesterday #18
+1. Heck, we had people on here who were severely criticized for calling Trump a traitor/racist/dictator/Nazi/rapist dalton99a Yesterday #21
+1 leftstreet Yesterday #52
Just think! Linda ladeewolf Yesterday #19
Exactly fuck'em makes them sue, cry and whine themselve into a tither Historic NY Yesterday #20
I like Tim, but DownriverDem Yesterday #22
He isn't either, what he is sick of is Bettie 10 hrs ago #67
100% Snackshack Yesterday #23
+1. "We must move on. It's all good. Nothing happened." dalton99a Yesterday #29
Exactly jfz9580m 16 hrs ago #59
Well far and beyond time to fight back by any means necessary. Six117 Yesterday #24
What would you have our Democrats do? I'm guessing you must have some PLAN of action... QueerDuck Yesterday #38
Sure. I'm sure when you go to work you wait for random people to tell you how to effectively do your job. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #62
Even in the YouTube HFY stories on space adventures, the politician sending "Sternly Worded Letter" is present LiberalArkie Yesterday #25
Thank you, Walz. JBTaurus83 Yesterday #26
Directive, organization, humanpower and follow-through. More is definitely needed. twodogsbarking Yesterday #27
Dems are "prisoners of the norms, prisoners of the institutions." summer_in_TX Yesterday #30
That, and Dems need to understand that they are using a broken system to fix a broken system. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #48
That is a great way to describe it. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #61
He's right SunImp Yesterday #31
"he says well why can't Democrats can "break the norms" for things like national healthcare" J_William_Ryan Yesterday #32
It's spot on. iemanja Yesterday #35
We've been furiously reading through The Marquess of Queensberry Rules of boxing hadEnuf Yesterday #34
"Weird." -- Walz on Trump, Couchhumper, MAGA and Project 2025 Kid Berwyn Yesterday #36
The same thing happened to Sarah Palin. ihaveaquestion Yesterday #50
that meme is bullshit bigtree Yesterday #39
Yes. Yelling "NERDS!" at Democrats. betsuni Yesterday #44
Fuck this shit, we need real opposition to the thug regime and their propaganda and we need it yesterday! Initech Yesterday #40
Oh, but strongly worded scolding of Democrats is really doing something. Everybody loves to be angry at Democrats. betsuni Yesterday #42
True. This performative "blame the Dems" reflex is a gift to the GOP. QueerDuck Yesterday #45
It's perfect. Convince your enemy to spend its time attacking itself as the enemy. betsuni Yesterday #46
I agree with you. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #53
we fucking had a historical legislative session with historical legislative accomplishments bigtree 10 hrs ago #65
Umm... OldBaldy1701E 10 hrs ago #66
don't blame Democrats for that bigtree 9 hrs ago #69
It's amazing Dems every win anything Thew Yesterday #54
Understandable why this criticism resonates Deminpenn Yesterday #43
YES orangecrush Yesterday #47
AMEN, Tim. republianmushroom Yesterday #49
Oh no, the Posse is gonna go after Tim! luv2fly 23 hrs ago #55
Uh oh! He's gonna get scolded by the cheerleaders! Orrex 21 hrs ago #57
A few years ago, LPBBEAR 15 hrs ago #60
PREACH!!!! ihaveaquestion 12 hrs ago #63
Democrats have been out of power in Congress for a while now bigtree 11 hrs ago #64
Hopium or Copium Aepps22 9 hrs ago #72
K&R spanone 9 hrs ago #70
Democratic leadership listen to Tim. Break the Norms! Be Bold. Clouds Passing 9 hrs ago #71
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