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betsuni

(29,040 posts)
59. Incremental change and compromise as a sin -- but Social Security, Medicare, ACA, all progress -- incremental.
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 01:19 PM
13 hrs ago

If one's ideology insists true progress can only be made all-or-nothing style with revolution, what to do?

Just revise history, pretend FDR and LBJ were democratic socialists and the only way to make progress (Medicare for All or nothing) again is to get rid of those yucky capitalist liberal Democrats who are doing government the best they can while Republicans try to destroy it.

Obama and Biden getting important progressive legislature passed in the two years they had small majorities, 50-50 senate, Liebermans (Thank you, Harry Reid) and Manchins (Thank you, Chuck Schumer)? Progressive successes of blue states? Keep saying the system is broken, doesn't work, can't work, everyone's corrupt, rigged, all is lost, and accuse Democrats of "taking" bad money in every sentence.

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I don't give a FUCK what repukes think Skittles Yesterday #1
I get that bigtree Yesterday #2
I THINK DEMS NEED NEW LEADERSHIP Skittles Yesterday #3
I'M FED UP WITH PEOPLE TEARING OUR LEADERS DOWN bigtree Yesterday #4
A LOT OF US CALL IT LIKE WE SEE IT Skittles Yesterday #6
do what you want bigtree Yesterday #8
Calling voters stupid and irresponsible is a great way to get them to to polls. Orrex 17 hrs ago #27
Some voters do self identify LOL SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #31
So what do you like about Schumer's leadership? dem4decades 17 hrs ago #30
he was an effective legislative leader in the majority bigtree 16 hrs ago #36
dems can deal with that after the election not slug it out in advance IMO msongs Yesterday #5
What, specifically are you looking for? creeksneakers2 Yesterday #12
Let's wait until the Republicans are out of power mzmolly 16 hrs ago #33
Me too Ferrets are Cool 16 hrs ago #39
Plus it all feeds into the corporate media's SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #7
There isn't going to be fighting... Historic NY Yesterday #9
which more or less flies in the face - of the incessant hue and cry that we are currently stopdiggin Yesterday #10
these people haven't REALLY been 'party' supporters - for a long, long time stopdiggin Yesterday #11
Who are "these people" you refer to? luv2fly Yesterday #14
interesting, isn't it? Skittles Yesterday #15
The timing seems a bit off. mzmolly 16 hrs ago #34
those that (repeatedly) tell us that "they cannot vote for" - a Democrat, or a party stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #45
Winning elections isn't so important for those who think both sides are the same. Taking over the Democratic Party betsuni 22 hrs ago #17
"For the American people it can be the difference between life and death right now, here in the reality based world." mzmolly 16 hrs ago #43
They party bashers have cost us elections and when they do they don't regret it one bit. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #13
Who are "they [sic] party bashers" you reference? luv2fly 23 hrs ago #16
Jill Stein voters SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #18
In the context of the OP, I suspect that's inaccurate. n/t luv2fly 17 hrs ago #21
Why? SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #22
Those who don't understand how change happens mzmolly 15 hrs ago #49
You mean those like Barack Obama? Who Maru Kitteh 14 hrs ago #56
What? mzmolly 13 hrs ago #60
7 years in the state senate and half a US Senate term? dpibel 13 hrs ago #62
Incremental change and compromise as a sin -- but Social Security, Medicare, ACA, all progress -- incremental. betsuni 13 hrs ago #59
such a good point bigtree 12 hrs ago #66
Nobody is forcing them to do anything creeksneakers2 14 hrs ago #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity 18 hrs ago #19
I think the GOP is just fine with an appeaser like Schumer in leadership 617Blue 18 hrs ago #20
what did he 'appease' on during the historic legislative advancements during Biden's term? bigtree 17 hrs ago #24
"petrified of a Leader like .." You can't seriously BELIEVE ....? stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #46
Right-wing can relax, attacking the Democratic Party is being done for them. betsuni 17 hrs ago #23
the pattern was set in the last presidential election. bigtree 17 hrs ago #28
Republicans couldn't have so successfully demonized government and Democrats without all the help. betsuni 16 hrs ago #37
nailed it. what is 100% predictable - is there will be SOMETHING to be 'outraged and disappointed' about in the stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #50
Long Live That Mess We Call Democracy Emile 17 hrs ago #25
Republicans are happy to watch fawning cheerleaders attack their fellow Democrats Orrex 17 hrs ago #26
Sorry, but Democrats do a great job of sabotaging the best election chances they have with conciliatory leaders lees1975 17 hrs ago #29
it's not about what republicans think, but you should care that they're smirking from the WH bigtree 16 hrs ago #42
I guess "Schumer is doing great and you're stupid and a bad Democrat Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #32
Spot on! demmiblue 12 hrs ago #67
Exactly, and very well said! MineralMan 16 hrs ago #35
What are we talking about here, and why? displacedvermoter 16 hrs ago #38
a resurgence of shitstirring over the Dem leadership bigtree 16 hrs ago #41
Democrats in Disarray displacedvermoter 15 hrs ago #47
This you? dpibel 12 hrs ago #63
It basically boils down to: "Someone disagreed with me on the internet." demmiblue 15 hrs ago #44
while doing a pretty darned good job of coherently laying out their OWN points and opinion ... stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #51
Oh. Is it "Now Is Not The Time!" Bingo season already? Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #40
while the insistant (and oh so VOCAL) opposition has gained us .. ? (FFS) stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #52
Maritime advice from people who always steer full speed into the ice field Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #57
equally delusional - are those that continue to insist that we're going to win back stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #58
I guess it depends on who you want to get to the polls. Phoenix61 15 hrs ago #48
this is the holy grail bigtree 13 hrs ago #61
Except they see Jeffries and Schumer as the face of the Dem party Phoenix61 11 hrs ago #68
like I said bigtree 11 hrs ago #69
Well if they're going to do it i prefer now as opposed to SSJVegeta 14 hrs ago #54
As much as we like or dislike our political leaders, they are elected by their constituants walkingman 14 hrs ago #55
It's become obvious to me MorbidButterflyTat 12 hrs ago #64
anyone who knows me here bigtree 12 hrs ago #65
"The candidates didn't fail to resonate with voters; the voters failed to resonate with the candidates." Orrex 4 hrs ago #70
Jeffries stands up to Trump, says to shut his mouth before someone gets killed (strongly worded fighting spirit) betsuni 3 hrs ago #71
You know, you're right. Orrex 2 hrs ago #72
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