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quakerboy

(13,949 posts)
68. That was my basic question
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jan 2013

I was hoping you knew. Google time.

Here is Wikipedia's excerpt
" In 2008–2012, the tax rate on qualified dividends and long term capital gains is 0% for those in the 10% and 15% income tax brackets.
After 2012, dividends will be taxed at the taxpayer's ordinary income tax rate, regardless of his or her tax bracket.
After 2012, the long-term capital gains tax rate will be 20% (10% for taxpayers in the 15% tax bracket).
After 2012, the qualified five-year 18% capital gains rate (8% for taxpayers in the 15% tax bracket) will be reinstated."

My initial reading is that it was going to 20% anyway, so that detail is not really a negotiating victory. Possibly its even a bit of a loss, given that it looks like dividends will actually be taxed at a lower rate, as compared to what would happen if no deal passed.

Still, overall it looks like the best deal yet presented. Unlike many here, I don't have any problem separating the SS discussion from the tax discussion. I think we can win each on the merits, at least as far as public opinion is concerned, and fighting them as separate events gives the Republicans two separate chances to publicly prove they hate Americans. And while I have no problem with taxes rising on those making 250k, 400k works for me as well. I dont think people with "earned" income are the problem. Its the ultra rich, living off of the work of others, and paying less taxes where we need to increase tax revenue most.

Agreed. His stamp of approval says it all. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #1
Yes. I not being a little wonk, I have to put my trust in someone to know the details of these bills gtar100 Jan 2013 #47
I think, overall, Obama got the better of this PARTICULAR deal. coti Jan 2013 #48
This wasn't the debt ceiling jfern Jan 2013 #2
Sorry Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #8
Trust the Bernie. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #3
Yup. Obama did great. He won, basically. coti Jan 2013 #49
It is NOT the debt ceiling bill. That hasn't been agreeded to or voted on yet. Tx4obama Jan 2013 #4
You're right. My Bad. I was referring to the fiscal cliff deal Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #7
yep!! vadermike Jan 2013 #5
I would like to hear his reasoning. W_HAMILTON Jan 2013 #6
I would John2 Jan 2013 #46
I want single payer, universal healthcare, too. W_HAMILTON Jan 2013 #63
third way dlc Bernie arely staircase Jan 2013 #9
Yeah, I'm loving that.. Cha Jan 2013 #17
thank you Bernie and the rest arely staircase Jan 2013 #21
That's great, arely.. what was Cha Jan 2013 #25
I was arely staircase Jan 2013 #28
Oh wow! A $100 hit would Cha Jan 2013 #31
yes arely staircase Jan 2013 #33
haha! gateley Jan 2013 #51
Sanders thrown under the purity bud in 3,...2,...1 RomneyLies Jan 2013 #10
Nobody would dare Cha Jan 2013 #15
You sure? FresnoDemocrat Jan 2013 #27
Make sure you stick around long enough to point it out ok? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #30
Obama threatened him. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #35
agreed vadermike Jan 2013 #11
Ha! Welcome to DU, vadermike and Happy New 2013! Cha Jan 2013 #13
And what choice does he have? W_HAMILTON Jan 2013 #24
I was just thinking about him..having learned Cha Jan 2013 #12
30 more minutes for us on the West Coast Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #16
Hola, Cali Cha Jan 2013 #20
I see you live in Kaua'i! Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #29
Alright! Cha Jan 2013 #36
That's awesome. I'd almost forgotten how to react when it's "good news". 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #14
No shit. babylonsister Jan 2013 #32
I feel better about this now malz Jan 2013 #18
is there a summary anywhere of what the deal is? HiPointDem Jan 2013 #19
Yes: Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #22
thanks. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #23
Ouch...heads exploding alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #26
No one says he's not a progressive now, but he of course isn't perfect Report1212 Jan 2013 #34
It's not a great deal.. ananda Jan 2013 #37
See comment #38. Looks damn good to me. n/t Tx4obama Jan 2013 #39
Here is 'some' of what The Senate bill that passed has in it Tx4obama Jan 2013 #38
Thanks Tx.. Cha Jan 2013 #40
Seems like Pres Obama got quite a bit of stuff in this deal. I hope The House passes it... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #41
Not holding my breath here nolabels Jan 2013 #60
What was the Clinton rate on Capital gains? JoeyT Jan 2013 #45
A Question quakerboy Jan 2013 #54
Yes they currently are at 15%. The Senate bill raises them to 20% - but... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #65
There is that. quakerboy Jan 2013 #66
Was the current rate supposed to expire at the end of 2012? Tx4obama Jan 2013 #67
That was my basic question quakerboy Jan 2013 #68
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #42
Hahahaha.....True, very true. nt Firebrand Gary Jan 2013 #43
What better stamp of approval can you ask for? Hulk Jan 2013 #44
I agree. cer7711 Jan 2013 #50
What is the deal? grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #52
This Is the Deal cer7711 Jan 2013 #53
Thanks! Not a great deal since defense and the tax cuts are the primary reasons for the deficit and grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #62
What a right of center sellout caver third wayer spineless.... great white snark Jan 2013 #55
Watch the Obama haters now hate Bernie in their scorched earth 3rd party quest graham4anything Jan 2013 #56
Sanders voting for the bill Babel_17 Jan 2013 #57
so let's see all of the vitriol, ridicule, and charges of 'sell-out' and cave-in' bigtree Jan 2013 #58
Did he say something or did you just hear that he's voting for it? Dawgs Jan 2013 #59
No, he voted for it Doctor_J Jan 2013 #61
Well, as best as I can tell (from the analysis of others), Bernie is a right-center, neocon sellout. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #64
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