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TygrBright

(21,386 posts)
54. It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because...
Fri May 15, 2026, 06:50 PM
12 hrs ago

...we lack a meaningful epistemology of the phenomenon represented by people who use wealth to accrue and use power, and the first-line proxies they employ.

This may represent a small victory for those specifically concerned with the propaganda element of their operations, by the deployment of terms like "conspiracy" and "secret" and "shadowy" and the linking of such terms with concepts that peel away serious attention and valid analysis and discourage scrutiny on a wider level.

There is also an organic level of misdirection embedded in the terminology through various entertainment and storytelling media that use such terms ("conspiracy", etc.) in fictionalized constructs that postulate intentional and covert organizations and cooperation to contain the action into a useful story arc. At its most extreme fictionalization these are the organized and directed constructs of either individual supervillains or organized groups embedded within or acting on behalf of state factions.

Even the treatment of what we know as "organized crime" in the factual world is subject to this misdirective conceptualization and the imputation of much more coherent and broadly-postulated logistical organization than Occam's Razor will support. "Conspiracies" in the specific criminal sense are unquestionably real and unfortunately common, but they are rarely more complex than is needed to accomplish specific ends.

Instead, there is an organic, even ethnographic element to the kind of activity analyzed under the 'big, shadowy conspiracy with tentacles everywhere' construct. Water flows downhill. Backs are scratched, Knowledge of who can (and will) do what is acquired and remembered and used. Those who live within a particular milieu tend to interact, especially when shared interests come into play.

And the milieus themselves interlock and interlink based on the people within them, pursuing their natural interests, looking to contacts who have knowledge of other milieus when they need to expand into new areas. Then passing the useful information about proxies, investors, resources, etc. on in turn as a back scratch or part of yet another scheme involving others within their milieu.

Technology has certainly enabled higher levels of organization and knowledge-sharing that may, in function, appear as carefully planned constructs rather than natural functions that are predicated by the three factors of individuals involved, situational elements, and systemic configurations. Over time, efforts to increase the availability of situational targets by affecting the configuration of systems to enable opportunistic predation may look like masterminds closeted in a luxurious secret lair and planning to take over the world.

But it's more akin to how a river will wear away obstacles as it works out a path from its source to its outflow.

The real discussions need to be focused less on who is having a secret phone call to launder money to complete some specific criminal enterprise and more on how to decouple the connections between money and power. And on how to do so against the opposition of the broad category of powerful actors who have benefited from the vitiation of economic and legal constraints to keep power and money sequestered from each other.

And that must start with a careful, intentional propaganda war that focuses less on Spy vs. Spy conspiracies and streaming melodramas about power and corruption, and more on the realities of building and supporting social, political, and economic constructs that enable broad support for diverse populations, social mobility, participatory decision making, and future-focused incentives. It is unglamorous work. It isn't as exciting as seeing the bad guys and skeeves get their comeuppance. It takes generations and a willingness to make trade-offs of social rewards for personal rewards.

But as long as we can keep people distracted with constructing elaborate internet-based whiteboards with photos and clippings pasted onto them and threads forming an increasingly complicated macrame of the "conspiracy" we have less incentive to focus on structural change.

Sadly,
Bright

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who else is attacking Trump's prosecutors, and the man who convicted the rioters Trump pardoned, released bigtree 22 hrs ago #1
Where are Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco Today? gab13by13 22 hrs ago #2
Garland delayed in prosecuting Trump after GOP tried to delay his nomination for a huge loss of time. GreenWave 21 hrs ago #4
Money, Power, Fascism -- The Octopus Kid Berwyn 21 hrs ago #3
and the Supreme Court who not only enabled Trump back into office bigtree 21 hrs ago #7
Garland did not stop the traitor nor his conspiracy. Kid Berwyn 19 hrs ago #20
charges were brought some 17 months before the election bigtree 19 hrs ago #22
In truth, it goes back to Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963. Kid Berwyn 19 hrs ago #24
The Berwyn Book Encyclopedia yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #64
Garland fell short for whatever reason and on that basis given the ramifications, was a colossal failure. Defending him KPN 17 hrs ago #29
no, the courts fell short, then the American people followed bigtree 16 hrs ago #36
Thanks for all the good information. Minds may not be changed, but facts will be out there. Joinfortmill 12 min ago #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #40
Agreed. The moment he knew of stolen state secrets he should arrested him... returnee 13 hrs ago #49
the courts failed us bigtree 13 hrs ago #50
As I understand it... returnee 1 hr ago #66
counterpunch was basically a Russian tool during the 2016 election bigtree 20 hrs ago #12
CounterPunch sucks most when they publish an article I don't agree with. Kid Berwyn 19 hrs ago #21
Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez is doing her courageous part with the Epstein horrors on her substack. Bumbles 21 hrs ago #5
If Merrick Garland is really "one of them" then why wasn't he approved for SCOTUS? FakeNoose 21 hrs ago #6
As Is Your Prerogative. But Don't Think You KNOW Garland...... ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #9
most people who pretend he's some double agent don't know anything about the actual prosecution bigtree 20 hrs ago #11
What became of those prosecutions? CivicGrief 17 hrs ago #30
instead of just being trifled with this bigtree 16 hrs ago #35
Ha! Future prosecutions. CivicGrief 15 hrs ago #41
what's sad is the literal surrender from people claiming to be so concerned with prosecuting Trump bigtree 14 hrs ago #47
If Jack Smith ever comes forward and says that Merrick Garland is actually "corrupt" and "in with them" FakeNoose 12 hrs ago #53
Garland hate guarantees clicks MorbidButterflyTat 17 hrs ago #33
Republicans prevented Garland Mad_Machine76 9 hrs ago #62
I HAVE SAID MOST OF THIS, EVEN BCCI. AND THEN THE "WOOO! TINHAT!" COMMENTS...... ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #8
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree 20 hrs ago #10
To people like Thiel, Musk, and their employees manipulating the data to get their and the Powers That Be .. Botany 20 hrs ago #13
Don't forget the bomb threats karin_sj 13 hrs ago #52
I've been saying the same thing for years. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #18
May I suggest lonely bird 20 hrs ago #14
So glad that he prioritized avoiding the appearance of a political agenda Orrex 20 hrs ago #15
Orrex.. jfz9580m 37 min ago #67
The Garland Society folks don't like this one bit. BannonsLiver 20 hrs ago #16
Garland society folks are pro prosecution of Trump bigtree 20 hrs ago #17
Bahahaha BannonsLiver 18 hrs ago #25
no doubt the Anti-Trump Prosecution society exists bigtree 16 hrs ago #37
Epstein class oligarchs irisblue 20 hrs ago #19
😬 Floyd R. Turbo 19 hrs ago #23
Bookmarking for later reading. Epstein-town? CoopersDad 18 hrs ago #26
Maybe that's why it always seems like 1 step forward 2 steps back bucolic_frolic 18 hrs ago #27
Well, one thing cannot be denied, Garland was an Obama SCOTUS choice. Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #28
True. My understanding was he selected Garland as someone the R Senate would surely approve -- part of his "team of KPN 17 hrs ago #31
Great post/thread Botany, even if in small or even large part it is theory. Theory is what leads to finding facts and KPN 17 hrs ago #32
All I know is, Trump never talks about Garland nor does he seek revenge against him thebigidea 17 hrs ago #34
you have to be kidding bigtree 16 hrs ago #38
I see you graduated to Trump Truth Social posts CivicGrief 15 hrs ago #42
this is specious bigtree 14 hrs ago #45
It's a false claim to imply Trump is going after Garland in the courts like he is everyone else thebigidea 10 hrs ago #57
not yet bigtree 9 hrs ago #59
Is "Thiswillhold" the QAnon of the left? chowder66 15 hrs ago #39
It is BlueAnon. It pushes CT crackpottery that repeatededly has been debunked, yet it persists. Celerity 14 hrs ago #43
Yes. mr715 11 hrs ago #56
I love history. I love mysteries. I love taking things... littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #44
Knowledge is good Botany 14 hrs ago #46
This thing, I call it the evil of psychopaths, has existed for all time. ... littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #48
by the way, the substack is conspiratorial claptrap bigtree 13 hrs ago #51
It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because... TygrBright 12 hrs ago #54
You mean we should be a.... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #65
Untangling the Octopus Kid Berwyn 11 hrs ago #55
who is this new poster, and what expertise does he have for making these claims bigtree 9 hrs ago #60
It's disgusting to see this kooky CT nonsense rise to the top of the Greatest Page Fiendish Thingy 10 hrs ago #58
Thanks for sharing, Botany! That was an important read. It was jam packed. yellow dahlia 9 hrs ago #61
This is why I have become a misanthrope. BigmanPigman 9 hrs ago #63
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