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GreatGazoo

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42. "futures price contracts probably isn't a good predictor of actual future prices" -- meaning spot prices, yes
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 07:44 PM
20 hrs ago

But if the buyer is taking delivery in Cushing in September then the price of that contract today is the price. If I buy December delivery at $80 then they are obligated to deliver X amount of WTI to my trucks, railcars or pipeline in Cushing Oklahoma in December and I pay $80 even if spot goes to $200.

If I am just an investor then yes I have to resell that futures contract prior to the expiry date. I think we are focused on two different things -- futures as an investment vs futures as a way that major users of oil control and determine their future expenses.

I think we agree on all of that (?) but backwardation means the all of the global participants in the oil markets, both buyers and sellers collectively, are predicting that the supply vs demand in December will produce a lower price than supply vs demand right now.

Front month spiked but the December end didn't move much:

Since war broke out between the U.S., Israel and Iran on February 28, the crude oil futures curve has moved into a steep backwardation, a situation that persists even after the announcement of a temporary ceasefire on April 7. Prices for WTI crude oil futures delivered in December 2026 have been as much as $40 below prices for delivery in May or June (Figure 1). This suggests that traders expect the current supply disruptions caused by the effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz will most likely prove to be short-lived, with spot prices perhaps falling to the mid-$70s by year end. But what does the historically extreme backwardation imply for investors?

https://www.cmegroup.com/insights/economic-research/2026/implications-of-wti-oil-futures-in-backwardation-amid-the-supply-crunch.html

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The shit is on the wing orangecrush Yesterday #1
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Daddy's not buying his way out of this one. dem4decades Yesterday #4
From another perspective cachukis Yesterday #5
there's definitely been some adaptation... but still a lot has been kept afloat by the reserves that are likely to run LymphocyteLover Yesterday #27
No question. One of my worries is the takeover of cachukis Yesterday #31
Absolutely. I totally agree on all those points. The stock market is particularly a mess IMO LymphocyteLover Yesterday #32
Have invested mostly in real estate over the last cachukis Yesterday #34
Why would " Diesel goes first"??? Melon Yesterday #6
800,000 to 1.2 million SamuelTheThird Yesterday #11
It's one country. Multiply across all oil producing Melon 22 hrs ago #41
Yes, but the key is how long the strait stays closed and how quickly the reserves run out LymphocyteLover Yesterday #28
Diesel is often made from mideastern crude while gasoline is made from US crude JT45242 Yesterday #30
Not In The US, Though ProfessorGAC 7 hrs ago #45
Completely wrong. GreatGazoo Yesterday #7
lol@your link SamuelTheThird Yesterday #10
You ignored all the numbers to nitpick about semantics GreatGazoo Yesterday #15
Are America's strategic reserves at a 40 year low right before the summer season? SamuelTheThird Yesterday #19
Traders in Singapore, Beijing and Mumbai aren't duped by whatever Trump says GreatGazoo Yesterday #36
This message was self-deleted by its author LymphocyteLover Yesterday #29
Futures Are Not Delivery modrepub 23 hrs ago #39
"futures price contracts probably isn't a good predictor of actual future prices" -- meaning spot prices, yes GreatGazoo 20 hrs ago #42
Future Prices Are Not Necessarily modrepub 10 hrs ago #43
No. For anyone holding a March contract at $63 their price in March was $63 GreatGazoo 8 hrs ago #44
Appreciate your insight as I'm an admitted economic idiot. I can see where Exxon would be trying to "warn" Cheezoholic Yesterday #21
Futures lock in a price right now GreatGazoo Yesterday #22
Admittedly, Im no expert or even amateur...but SamuelTheThird Yesterday #35
Since oil is sold as futures there is more profit when buyers panic about the future GreatGazoo Yesterday #37
All hinging on a deal that isn't going to happen SamuelTheThird Yesterday #38
Last week Exxon Mobil warned that oil inventories will fall to record low levels in coming weeks LymphocyteLover Yesterday #33
Demand destruction WSHazel Yesterday #8
"one of the key reasons that Trump started this conflict was to increase energy prices"-- agree LymphocyteLover Yesterday #25
And it's all part of the plan... 2naSalit Yesterday #9
Excellent summation. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #12
I don't think the Strait of Hormuz never reopening is going to happen, but it will not reopen without a major shock ToxMarz Yesterday #13
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It's happening now as we speak. marble falls Yesterday #26
Remember that the UAE left OPEC a few weeks ago WSHazel 23 hrs ago #40
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