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Our Absurd Fear of FatPaul Campos
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/our-imaginary-weight-problem.html
To put some flesh on these statistical bones, the study found a 6 percent decrease in mortality risk among people classified as overweight and a 5 percent decrease in people classified as Grade 1 obese, the lowest level (most of the obese fall in this category). This means that average-height women 5 feet 4 inches who weigh between 108 and 145 pounds have a higher mortality risk than average-height women who weigh between 146 and 203 pounds. For average-height men 5 feet 10 inches those who weigh between 129 and 174 pounds have a higher mortality risk than those who weigh between 175 and 243 pounds.
Now, if we were to employ the logic of our public health authorities, who treat any correlation between weight and increased mortality risk as a good reason to encourage people to try to modify their weight, we ought to be telling the 75 million American adults currently occupying the governments healthy weight category to put on some pounds, so they can move into the lower risk, higher-weight categories.
In reality, of course, it would be nonsensical to tell so-called normal-weight people to try to become heavier to lower their mortality risk. Such advice would ignore the fact that tiny variations in relative risk in observational studies provide no scientific basis for concluding either that those variations are causally related to the variable in question or that this risk would change if the variable were altered.
This is because observational studies merely record statistical correlations: we dont know to what extent, if any, the slight decrease in mortality risk observed among people defined as overweight or moderately obese is caused by higher weight or by other factors. Similarly, we dont know whether the small increase in mortality risk observed among very obese people is caused by their weight or by any number of other factors, including lower socioeconomic status, dieting and the weight cycling that accompanies it, social discrimination and stigma, or stress
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I think that there have been multiple (perhaps thousands) of scientific studies conducted
Tutonic
Jan 2013
#1
Oh what scientific basis is he suggesting that very obese people are killed by "social stigma"?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#5
Like, say, not going to the doctor because the diagnosis is always "lose weight"
eridani
Jan 2013
#7
The science says something different. It's well-known in the field; moderate overweight - moderate
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#43
I wouldn't write off the possibility of unknown environmental variables being a factor, too.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#6
Trying to redefine very obese as somehow "healthy" isn't going to help.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#18
Except the science says that indeed, moderately obese are healthy, as measured by mortality risk.
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#45
I rarely go to the mall, and I don't give a shit what other people do.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#48
There's no such 'standard AMA weight chart'. Old-style Height/Weight charts aren't typically used
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#56
It's not simply weight, so those height-weight charts don't tell the whole story.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#4
And women with proportionally more fat and less muscle are statistically going to outlive you n/t
eridani
Jan 2013
#8
Height-weight charts aren't used much anymore in clinical practice. Also, Campos doesn't say
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#50
My biggest problem with the weight thing is I would be considered overweight
Arcanetrance
Jan 2013
#10
I don't get winded and I bet I am more fit than these people who are obsessed with appearance
duffyduff
Jan 2013
#76
He's reporting the results of a meta-analysis of nearly 100 scientific studies with more than a
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#51
I don't claim to be better than skinny people but they seem to think they are better than me
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2013
#28
Any link to the study, or another commentary on it, not behind the NYT paywall?
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2013
#32
Fat cells make estrogen. Even after menopause. I think that's the connection.
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#58
some gets exported; and estrones can be converted to estradiol by the liver. I don't understand
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#68
I do weight-bearing exercise all the time, and I bet I am in better shape than most "thin" people.
duffyduff
Jan 2013
#77