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Warren DeMontague

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48. I rarely go to the mall, and I don't give a shit what other people do.

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:12 AM

Jan 2013

Unlike some people, I'm not into telling consenting adults how to live their lives. And if people want to be fat, more power to them.

However, they're not entitled to their own facts; "moderately obese" by the standard AMA weight chart probably includes most people who would be considered "thin" or "average" in the USA. I'm slightly over my weight for my height, because I'm stockier and bigger than the average. Yet, I'm in fairly good shape.

The height-weight charts and categories don't tell the whole story, but it's definitely NOT healthy for people to be very obese. Fat, in general, is not good for people.

Again, I don't care nor do I judge what other people do. I do observe it, however. But the only fat person it bothers me to see is in the mirror, which is why I exercise regularly and try to keep a healthy diet.

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Our Absurd Fear of Fat [View all] eridani Jan 2013 OP

I think that there have been multiple (perhaps thousands) of scientific studies conducted Tutonic Jan 2013 #1

The study in question is a meta-analysis eridani Jan 2013 #2

Oh what scientific basis is he suggesting that very obese people are killed by "social stigma"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #5

Like, say, not going to the doctor because the diagnosis is always "lose weight" eridani Jan 2013 #7

the first assertion seems a bit spurious, to say the least. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16

If people want to rationalize not wanting to be heterosexual eridani Jan 2013 #36

Nice rationale there for being an accessory after the fact to bullycide eridani Jan 2013 #38

The science says something different. It's well-known in the field; moderate overweight - moderate HiPointDem Jan 2013 #43

no. this has been well-known for some time. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #42

Our weight problem is not imaginary cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #3

I wouldn't write off the possibility of unknown environmental variables being a factor, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #6

Could very well be the case eridani Jan 2013 #22

a recent study suggests a particular bacteria may induce obesity BainsBane Jan 2013 #54

So? All those people live longer than people did in the 1920s eridani Jan 2013 #9

Trying to redefine very obese as somehow "healthy" isn't going to help. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #18

And you'll see lots of people munching on corndogs and drinking slurpees-- eridani Jan 2013 #21

No one should be "abused", no matter what they look like. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

True. However, "some improvement" = "still fat" for most eridani Jan 2013 #30

Except the science says that indeed, moderately obese are healthy, as measured by mortality risk. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #45

I rarely go to the mall, and I don't give a shit what other people do. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #48

There's no such 'standard AMA weight chart'. Old-style Height/Weight charts aren't typically used HiPointDem Jan 2013 #56

Well, women have more fat than men, and we live longer eridani Jan 2013 #57

It's not simply weight, so those height-weight charts don't tell the whole story. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #4

And women with proportionally more fat and less muscle are statistically going to outlive you n/t eridani Jan 2013 #8

Meh Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #15

No, just trying to counter the meme that eridani Jan 2013 #19

Well, women generally outlive men, period. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #23

And if getting sex changes won't help men live longer-- eridani Jan 2013 #44

Oh, Maybe sex changes DO help men live longer. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #46

Actually not. Sex changes shorten men's lives eridani Jan 2013 #47

Did not know that. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #49

Height-weight charts aren't used much anymore in clinical practice. Also, Campos doesn't say HiPointDem Jan 2013 #50

Height-weight charts went out the window about 25 years ago. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #59

My biggest problem with the weight thing is I would be considered overweight Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #10

Thank you for posting this OccupyManny Jan 2013 #11

This article is BAD SCIENCE, please read on! mrsadm Jan 2013 #12

Can you read? eridani Jan 2013 #13

I'm 193 6'0 and get winded tying my shoes or doing stairs TrogL Jan 2013 #14

I weigh more than that at 5' 5" eridani Jan 2013 #20

I need to lay off the eggnog and take the dogs for a walk TrogL Jan 2013 #29

Your dogs - why do they hate going out as a group in the winter? Iris Jan 2013 #41

3 dachshunds and mixes TrogL Jan 2013 #74

sounds like a fun bunch! Iris Jan 2013 #79

TrogL Skittles Jan 2013 #61

WTF Skittles Jan 2013 #52

I've always been flexible--I think it's just a genetic thing. eridani Jan 2013 #53

well, count me as a non fat-phobe, eridani Skittles Jan 2013 #60

I don't get winded and I bet I am more fit than these people who are obsessed with appearance duffyduff Jan 2013 #76

I weigh far more than you and take a cycling class Iris Jan 2013 #39

Gives one pause to think, doesn't it? n/t 99Forever Jan 2013 #17

Dangerous assumption to jump to, attorney Campos. flvegan Jan 2013 #25

+ a really large number Systematic Chaos Jan 2013 #26

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #27

Explain what is dangerous about the following statement eridani Jan 2013 #31

He's reporting the results of a meta-analysis of nearly 100 scientific studies with more than a HiPointDem Jan 2013 #51

this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #66

I don't claim to be better than skinny people but they seem to think they are better than me liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #28

See, that's really the problem, IMHO. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #34

Exactly parallel nonsense is commonly spouted about LGBT people eridani Jan 2013 #37

Wow, you are right! LisaLynne Jan 2013 #69

Not to mention the multi-million dollar diet industry that might Iris Jan 2013 #40

Very true. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #70

Yes. It becomes an endless cycle. Iris Jan 2013 #71

Any link to the study, or another commentary on it, not behind the NYT paywall? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #32

Here eridani Jan 2013 #33

Thank you (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #35

Weight gain at menopause is such a universal phenomenon Warpy Jan 2013 #55

Fat cells make estrogen. Even after menopause. I think that's the connection. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #58

Not estradiol--estrone and other metabolites eridani Jan 2013 #62

Fat cells produce estradiol as well. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #63

Yes--estradiol is produced, but it doesn't get exported eridani Jan 2013 #65

some gets exported; and estrones can be converted to estradiol by the liver. I don't understand HiPointDem Jan 2013 #68

Estrone can act directly as well eridani Jan 2013 #72

I do weight-bearing exercise all the time, and I bet I am in better shape than most "thin" people. duffyduff Jan 2013 #77

The physiologist Paul Ernsberger once said that eridani Jan 2013 #78

They also give us an energy reserve to tap Warpy Jan 2013 #73

I don't fear fat... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #64

I agree. All the things you are focusing on are much healthier than focusing on weight eridani Jan 2013 #67

Paul Campos is one of the best observers of this issue in the country duffyduff Jan 2013 #75