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In reply to the discussion: Our Absurd Fear of Fat [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)50. Height-weight charts aren't used much anymore in clinical practice. Also, Campos doesn't say
what you claim he did, nor did he give out any medical advice.
"we dont know whether the small increase in mortality risk observed among very obese people is caused by their weight or by any number of other factors, including lower socioeconomic status, dieting and the weight cycling that accompanies it, social discrimination and stigma, or stress."
1. Very overweight people (BMI >35) have a slightly increased mortality risk.
2. We don't know if the increased mortality is caused by weight or other factors
(I'd editorialize & say we don't know the extent to which various factors play in, as e.g. being overweight is associated with lower SES, itself independently associated with poor health, & both weight & low income are stigmatized).
Low BMI & high % fat-free mass is associated with increased mortality, BTW. Being 'cut' is not healthy -- according to the science.
Weight loss may make someone feel better for lots of reasons. Some may have measurable physical correlates linked to mortality risk, e.g. blood pressure, blood sugar.
Others may simply = psychological effect of better self image as measured against prevailing social norms.
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I think that there have been multiple (perhaps thousands) of scientific studies conducted
Tutonic
Jan 2013
#1
Oh what scientific basis is he suggesting that very obese people are killed by "social stigma"?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#5
Like, say, not going to the doctor because the diagnosis is always "lose weight"
eridani
Jan 2013
#7
The science says something different. It's well-known in the field; moderate overweight - moderate
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#43
I wouldn't write off the possibility of unknown environmental variables being a factor, too.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#6
Trying to redefine very obese as somehow "healthy" isn't going to help.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#18
Except the science says that indeed, moderately obese are healthy, as measured by mortality risk.
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#45
I rarely go to the mall, and I don't give a shit what other people do.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#48
There's no such 'standard AMA weight chart'. Old-style Height/Weight charts aren't typically used
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#56
It's not simply weight, so those height-weight charts don't tell the whole story.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2013
#4
And women with proportionally more fat and less muscle are statistically going to outlive you n/t
eridani
Jan 2013
#8
Height-weight charts aren't used much anymore in clinical practice. Also, Campos doesn't say
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#50
My biggest problem with the weight thing is I would be considered overweight
Arcanetrance
Jan 2013
#10
I don't get winded and I bet I am more fit than these people who are obsessed with appearance
duffyduff
Jan 2013
#76
He's reporting the results of a meta-analysis of nearly 100 scientific studies with more than a
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#51
I don't claim to be better than skinny people but they seem to think they are better than me
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2013
#28
Any link to the study, or another commentary on it, not behind the NYT paywall?
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2013
#32
Fat cells make estrogen. Even after menopause. I think that's the connection.
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#58
some gets exported; and estrones can be converted to estradiol by the liver. I don't understand
HiPointDem
Jan 2013
#68
I do weight-bearing exercise all the time, and I bet I am in better shape than most "thin" people.
duffyduff
Jan 2013
#77