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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
59. in other words
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jan 2013

You said
t doesn't really help that a lot of those rural gun-owning Southerners and Midwesterners and Westerners are the descendants of violent Scots-Irish rednecks who've inherited a cultural distrust of government reinforced over generations in sparsely populated areas with weak government and police protection

I humbly offer a translation"
England always treated the Celts like shit, and used the idea of Empire to placate them instead of actually integrating them into society.

"hey you annoying prats, quit bothering us in London! We already gave you Canada, Australia, North America, Africa, and India to colonize, all you have to do is kill the native brown people and remember to send us most of the bloody profits!"

Add to this that when America became independent, the colonization germ remained intact. In places like Canada and Australia, it died off, not because they were any less eager or able to do genocide, but because England let them become commonwealths, places that were still part of the Empire, but just had to bow to the Empire rather than kowtow to it the way the brown subjects do. Also,to their credit, many of them, though sadly not all, (as Stephen Harper proves) realized that Empire was a racket, and they really did not want to grow up like their old, bitter Mother England. Also, because their governments were younger, they were able to let a lot of British Colonial ideas simply walk out to pasture.

America did not break with Empire, and indeed, it's problem was that many of the "founding fathers" were people that were actually better at the Empire game than King George, the guy who died in the looney bin. George Washington started the French and Indian war, which is the only reason Le Quebecois are considered "Canadian." His reward was a tax on his tea, for which he said "Screw London, why should they get the profits when we do the work?" And of course, to this day, Imperialist still put on the wigs and funny hats, as if to claim kinship with the secular saints.

Exactly, we should do *nothing* because if we did something we might make a mistake n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
Almost no one is proposing a prohibition. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #2
The temperance movement didn't start out as the "enforced teetotaling" movement. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #22
Ahhh ... so because THAT happened, we must shrug and do nothing ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #27
You're going to DROP the 20 to 25% of Americans that own guns from the discussion? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #35
You seem confused ... since I did not say drop ALL gun owners from the discussion. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #39
You lot seem confused about the NRA and me. I don't dig them at all, and disagree with them... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #48
Sigh... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #3
Excellent response. 99Forever Jan 2013 #16
By all means! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #26
Tanks, me likie! n/t 99Forever Jan 2013 #28
What? No "NRA talking point(s)"? -1 for insufficient use of... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #37
+100 TeamPooka Jan 2013 #54
You live in fear. You respond to fear and you upaloopa Jan 2013 #4
A reminder for morons: Drugs and booze are not guns. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #5
But the culture war against those that use them are almost the same. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #18
Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #24
in other words DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #59
Not exactly Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #63
Waaaaait a minute. You mean a gin and tonic is not the same as an assault weapon? Now I'm all Squinch Jan 2013 #55
Australia enacted strict gun control and they haven't had a massacre since then. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #6
Australia never had a gun culture like ours, or a culture war surrounding their guns. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #19
Mexico enacted strict gun control and they haven't had a massacre since - oh, wait... derby378 Jan 2013 #21
And Mexico is largely anarchic and run by drug cartels. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #30
I'm okay with legalizing marijuana - that would help make a dent in trafficking derby378 Jan 2013 #52
See post 87. eom RomneyLies Jan 2013 #7
Snort! Squinch Jan 2013 #56
Nobody is taking away your guns. Taverner Jan 2013 #8
Shhhhhhhh!!! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #11
prohibit,mandate,compel,comply? i don't think so... green for victory Jan 2013 #9
So true. CalFresh Jan 2013 #10
Those Prohibitions were bad and ill intentioned but ours is noble and enlightened ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
President Obama believes in prohibition Fumesucker Jan 2013 #13
Some here clearly do ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #15
Is this about the prohibition of child porn? Are you saying we should just allow it? DanTex Jan 2013 #14
Child porn is nowhere near as popular (thank YHPOC!) as guns and booze. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #17
It might be, if it wasn't, umm, prohibited. DanTex Jan 2013 #23
I rather doubt 20-25% of the population would be into child porn. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #31
Wait, wait, wait, I thought the OP was against "prohibitionists of all stripes"! DanTex Jan 2013 #38
I am neither for nor against. I point out they rarely turn out they way they are supposed to. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #41
What do you mean "they"? DanTex Jan 2013 #46
I rarely drink, gave up on cannabis long ago, and own no guns. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #49
Yes, we know that you really hate prohibition. DanTex Jan 2013 #51
So the badness of the prohibition is dependent on how popular the prohibited item is? Squinch Jan 2013 #57
I don't think keeping dogs off the liquor will really hurt us any.... snooper2 Jan 2013 #20
moderation in all things n/t RainDog Jan 2013 #25
True. The gun Prohibtionists will "represent" all gun control advocates, just as... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #45
Thank You Berserker Jan 2013 #29
Not only do they forget history, they forgot Santayana: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #42
I know what you'e talking about bongbong Jan 2013 #32
Well well well alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #33
I'm sure that the 80 million gun owners in the US will be perfectly happy to... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #36
You are going to need a lot more Straw. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40
Yeah yeah, we know- "*This* one will be different!" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #43
I find if you keep the TV turned down low enough, you can hear the Helicopters JoePhilly Jan 2013 #44
I rather doubt it will happen, personally. You might, however, wish to have a word or two... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #47
Most, 99%, will be fine with any new regulations. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #53
And some of the extremists RomneyLies Jan 2013 #58
They already are over the NYS law. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #60
Looks like there will be a lot of 'em PePpeReD soon. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #61
Slipping and sliding down the slippery slope! Just one step & it's all over! maxsolomon Jan 2013 #34
I know. Machine gun prohibition turned out so fucking awful, right? EOTE Jan 2013 #50
Machine guns were never owned by many, nothing like semi-auto proliferation. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #62
Ahhh, so it's only because of the proliferation of semi-autos that this wouldn't work. EOTE Jan 2013 #64
Common use is a threshold whether you like it or not, has ZERO to do with "good", TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #65
Common use is a bullshit indicator of whether or not something should stay. EOTE Jan 2013 #66
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