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pasto76

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29. as somebody who _lived_ it, Im telling that is so
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jan 2013

how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Iraqi civilians did we kill during the occupation? How many tens of thousands in Afghanistan?

this is definitely one of those issues that separates liberals from democrats. Liberals are 'anti-war' without knowing what it smells like, what it sounds like. What is feels like to live with it.

*I* am anti war. YOU are theoretically opposed to it.

The separation is that I know there are bad guys all over the world. Really bad guys. Ruthless. Immoral. Fanatical. Insane. Driven by ego and power. They are a danger to everybody on this planet. Often they have chosen to target the US and it's citizens.

Liberals think it's just a matter of perception. AQ has been on its heels now for 4 years. -Primarily- because of President Obama's very effective use of our drones. He took the mess that was the Bush program and made it effective. But I know that many of you think 'AQ type' is just jargon. rhetoric. hyperbole, even. Ive seen in person firsthand what they do to make examples of people. Drones are just a tool. Part of the machine that is very much keeping you safe. Killing OBL was another part. Withdrawing from Iraq another. Being the Good Guy in the middle east is another - via Secretary Clinton.

So when you ask, with your air of superiority, "with WHOM are we at war?" it makes me sick. We're not at "war" with anyone. But we are using a lot of our military might to snuff out people who are the most dangerous type of radical there is. If these guys were any manner of savage noble as some here suggest, they wouldnt live and hide in the population. They know full well that any strikes against them will kill civilians, and they use that to further their propaganda. And the President doesnt order a drone attack on jaywalkers. The targets are operational players in terrorist networks. They are THAT dangerous. Like it or not American lives are worth more than their. American lives are worth the collateral. If you think that President Obama LIKES killing people, then you are blinded by some of your own ideology. My troops suffered 8 years of a president who could give a fuck what happened to us. What happens to us weighs heavily on this President.

He's beaten the repukes at their game. They are backing down on almost everything. The President is a mack daddy. Perish the thought that he might actually know what to do regarding global terrorism.

But lemme say it like this. I left the army in 2007 because of how badly Bush was running the wars. I re-enlisted in 2010 because the change under President Obama was THAT encouraging.

To all anti-Obama posters [View all] NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 OP
I'll give you a KnR for good effort Hekate Jan 2013 #1
+ 1 n/t Still Sensible Jan 2013 #2
I believe in nuance - I voted for Obama and donated to his campaign. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #3
That's fair. I am not supporting Obama worship. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #10
I’ll tell you this.. busterbrown Jan 2013 #25
The problem is half the country is ate up with the dumass Major Nikon Jan 2013 #53
Half? chervilant Jan 2013 #80
I think half is about right, but probably a quarter are tolerant of the dumass Major Nikon Jan 2013 #82
what's an anti-Obama poster? Enrique Jan 2013 #4
I don't know. What were your values? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #11
Wait. You started this thread with "To all anti-Obama posters..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #26
don't ask him to think Skittles Jan 2013 #32
To all 'gee I guess I might have been a rapist, but it was normal/expected' posters... FU. n/t demmiblue Jan 2013 #5
I'll second that. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #6
I'll third it (although it totally goes against the thirdiness of it all, since I was the firsty). demmiblue Jan 2013 #8
Howdee... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #9
A no-Mitt inauguration is a mighty fine inauguration, indeed! demmiblue Jan 2013 #12
Oh, yeah. And no Queen Ann... I may have disliked her more than Mittens! WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #15
So, you believe NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #18
You see what you did there? Deflect away. BTW, no one is without faults. n/t demmiblue Jan 2013 #20
Thank you, NO ONE is without faults. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #23
You raped unconcious young women, now you are pulling the purity/big tent card. demmiblue Jan 2013 #35
Because you can read minds? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #43
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #57
We should take a holiday from critcizing the President tomorrow. It's a big day for the country. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #7
"greatly reduced the numbers of "collateral damage"." Bonobo Jan 2013 #13
when the NRA is dead, and the last gun is off the street. Never rest before then. graham4anything Jan 2013 #14
Well, that's just it. None of those answers are simple. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #16
as somebody who _lived_ it, Im telling that is so pasto76 Jan 2013 #29
Thank you, for more than I can say NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #37
You think being in the military gives you a perspective on what is "real" Bonobo Jan 2013 #41
*I* am anti war. bahrbearian Jan 2013 #70
no clown. Ive seen firsthand what it does to regular people. pasto76 Jan 2013 #81
So Clown, You are Pro-War,, What was the last resort you were fighting for? bahrbearian Jan 2013 #84
Silly Bonobo, don't you know they're terrorists disguised as coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #34
NOBODY here is anti-Obama. I'm sick of this obfuscation. We are anti-torture, war, plutocracy, grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #17
well, you could've fooled me. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #19
Prove it leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
I would gladly, but it's so prevalent here NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #24
So you can't prove it leftstreet Jan 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #58
"the liberal agenda"??? flvegan Jan 2013 #22
but they have iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #28
Ahh, your point? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #31
'liberal agenda' is a rightwing talking point leftstreet Jan 2013 #36
You almost had me until obxhead Jan 2013 #27
you know damn well that McCain would have kept us in Iraq pasto76 Jan 2013 #33
THANK YOU! NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #39
ffs obxhead Jan 2013 #86
"progressing the liberal agenda?" Skittles Jan 2013 #30
Actually, skittles, you were one of the ones NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #40
you do not fool me for one second Skittles Jan 2013 #42
And exactly HOW am I suppoed to be NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #45
+1 redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #59
Really... you think SKITTLES is anti-Obama? Marrah_G Jan 2013 #64
Obama is the next Herbert Hoover Vic Vinegar Jan 2013 #44
Oh, c'mon. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #46
What a stupid post. Bobbie Jo Jan 2013 #73
Classic DU "I live in a Bubble" bs hyperbole. emulatorloo Jan 2013 #76
This was a reply to me in another thread Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #47
"Liberal agenda"??? DearHeart Jan 2013 #48
+a million green for victory Jan 2013 #63
I'm with you. alarimer Jan 2013 #71
I am with you on this one! We need an FDR...that's what I thought I was voting for in Obama 2008 DearHeart Jan 2013 #79
Those are surface considerations. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #49
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #69
To all who object to my use of certain terms NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #50
I've never heard anyone on "the Left" use the term "Liberal agenda." Neither have you, I'm guessing, Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #56
Yep, just like gays use the term "The Gay Agenda" n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #62
You signed up in 2012 and you are here invoking Andy? Really? Marrah_G Jan 2013 #65
Wow,,, ReRe Jan 2013 #51
Thank you! I couldn't agree more! NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #52
No, he didn't start the war in Afghanistan. But, he did escalate it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #54
To all who have made politics about the person and not the policy green for victory Jan 2013 #55
so we should bend over and kiss his ass when he fucks up? No thanks. bowens43 Jan 2013 #60
+1000000 Cheerleading is not good nor healthy for a free people but sadly that is what stultusporcos Jan 2013 #61
Liberal Agenda? NCTraveler Jan 2013 #66
Let me get this 'straight'. Obama ended DADT, but Congress will end DOMA? Congress ended DADT. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #67
"anti-Obama posters" 99Forever Jan 2013 #68
LOL!!! Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #72
What's with all these newecomers named lefty, leftist, liberal... whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #74
oh, look. a scolding. how quaint. KG Jan 2013 #75
There is a difference between criticizing the continuance of Bush policies Dragonfli Jan 2013 #77
So many sheriffs around here! Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #78
So do you go looking for someone to pick a beef with often? nolabels Jan 2013 #83
+1 kjackson227 Jan 2013 #85
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