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In reply to the discussion: To all anti-Obama posters [View all]pasto76
(1,589 posts)how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Iraqi civilians did we kill during the occupation? How many tens of thousands in Afghanistan?
this is definitely one of those issues that separates liberals from democrats. Liberals are 'anti-war' without knowing what it smells like, what it sounds like. What is feels like to live with it.
*I* am anti war. YOU are theoretically opposed to it.
The separation is that I know there are bad guys all over the world. Really bad guys. Ruthless. Immoral. Fanatical. Insane. Driven by ego and power. They are a danger to everybody on this planet. Often they have chosen to target the US and it's citizens.
Liberals think it's just a matter of perception. AQ has been on its heels now for 4 years. -Primarily- because of President Obama's very effective use of our drones. He took the mess that was the Bush program and made it effective. But I know that many of you think 'AQ type' is just jargon. rhetoric. hyperbole, even. Ive seen in person firsthand what they do to make examples of people. Drones are just a tool. Part of the machine that is very much keeping you safe. Killing OBL was another part. Withdrawing from Iraq another. Being the Good Guy in the middle east is another - via Secretary Clinton.
So when you ask, with your air of superiority, "with WHOM are we at war?" it makes me sick. We're not at "war" with anyone. But we are using a lot of our military might to snuff out people who are the most dangerous type of radical there is. If these guys were any manner of savage noble as some here suggest, they wouldnt live and hide in the population. They know full well that any strikes against them will kill civilians, and they use that to further their propaganda. And the President doesnt order a drone attack on jaywalkers. The targets are operational players in terrorist networks. They are THAT dangerous. Like it or not American lives are worth more than their. American lives are worth the collateral. If you think that President Obama LIKES killing people, then you are blinded by some of your own ideology. My troops suffered 8 years of a president who could give a fuck what happened to us. What happens to us weighs heavily on this President.
He's beaten the repukes at their game. They are backing down on almost everything. The President is a mack daddy. Perish the thought that he might actually know what to do regarding global terrorism.
But lemme say it like this. I left the army in 2007 because of how badly Bush was running the wars. I re-enlisted in 2010 because the change under President Obama was THAT encouraging.