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In reply to the discussion: Obama is giving the speech liberals have begged him to give for four years. [View all]hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I never argued that tax cuts for the middle class were not stimulative.
I argued that the tax cut mantra is not Keynesian, and I stand by that. The tax cut mantra is Reaganomics. I also clearly demonstrated that Bush himself was making a Keynesian, or demand side argument, for his tax cuts. Second, I also clearly demonstrated that Bush, just like Obama, straight up lied about where and to whom his tax cuts went.
My argument from the start
Post #54 In his SOTU, Obama is gonna brag about his tax cuts for the "middle class", thereby endorsing Reaganomics.
Note how I put "middle class" in quotes. Thus to emphasize the FACT that Obama's tax cuts are not really middle class tax cuts even though he insists on calling them that.
In post #74 I further spelled that out
"The Republican message has long been "tax cuts stimulate the economy" and "tax cuts for the rich are really tax cuts for the middle class and poor". "
post #76 I argued that Obama's tax cuts are ALMOST the same as the Bush tax cuts (they certainly are)
"Oh, and when Obama made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent, doing so massively favored the wealthy, as I have mentioned before. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022130101"
and as for this last line of your own paragraph of strawmen
"now you "argue" that more tax cuts should have gone to the bottom 95%, as if I have even mentioned it (I have not). "
You DID argue that Obama was cutting taxes for the middle class (post #69). Well a true "middle class tax cut" should give more tax cuts to the bottom 95% and less to the top 5%. 35% of the Obama tax cuts goto the top 5%, only 9% of them goto the middle 20%.
But I understand. Rather than change your mind about the facts, you would rather just insult me. That's basic human nature. "Given a choice between a) changing their mind and b) proving that there is no need to do so, most people will get busy on the proof."
But the fact is, no matter how much Obama wants to brag about them and lie about them, his tax cuts are NOT middle class tax cuts. They are tax cuts for the rich. And cutting taxes for the rich is what Reaganomics is all about. That's the fact I started with and the fact that is still on my side.