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krispos42

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120. And he's finding out that nobody is rallying to his side

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:45 PM

Feb 2013

No smoldering rebellion or insurgency is flaring to life. The "militias" are not rushing to his aid.

So now he has a rifle that weighs 4 to 8 times what a regular deer/sniper rifle weighs, that shoots heavy, expensive, and uncommon ammunition, that he has to hump around, and that does not improve his skill as a shooter. Yay for him.

It takes uncommon skill to use a .50 to its full potential. If he can reliably hit a dinner plate no farther than 400 yards with a deer rifle, then that's his maximum effective limit, regardless of type of rifle cartridge. And 400 yards is a pretty darn good shot.

And a 400 yards, a decent .30-06 bullet still has more energy than an AR-15 or AK-47-ish rifle at point-blank range.

Common hunting cartridges are accurate to 800 yards or so. If you can't shoot accurately past that, a .50 does nothing for you unless you're shooting at armor plate.

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Chris Dorner has vanished and he may be armed with shoulder-fired missiles and a .50 caliber rifle [View all] Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 OP

Unless you or a close family member are named in his manifesto, or LAPD, I wouldn't worry too much. Electric Monk Feb 2013 #1

Yeah, like the dead Riverside cop, huh? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #13

Fine, you can panic if you want, but I think you're being paranoid to do so. Electric Monk Feb 2013 #15

that's a great toon 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #106

good toon! oldandhappy Feb 2013 #110

The real concern is the lead that the LAPD throws into the air when they sense his presence. eom Blanks Feb 2013 #17

I'm certainly not worried. If I ran across him, I'd give him a kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #39

You would give someone who murdered three people Zoeisright Feb 2013 #66

Why is it dumb?? What would YOU do, confront him angrily kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #72

You are so very kind for calling me stupid. Congratulations. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #76

You are so self-righteous. I'd recommend you review the story of coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #80

Staying calm and talking works sometimes in certain situations. Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #102

It's better to piss off an armed fugitive? HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #88

Bravo! If you have a chance, re-aquaint yourself with the story of coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #81

Bet He Is Nine Foot Tall By Now, Sir: Hell, Maybe He Is invisible, Able To Regenerate Limbs.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #2

And possibly farts green fire. politicat Feb 2013 #28

I am so flashing on Emmanuel Goldstein (of 1984 fame) right now. - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #82

Anything is possible, especially rumor-mongering sensationalism on the part of 'journalists'. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #114

Hey! He's just standing up to a tyranical government like the 2nd says he must! Patriot!111!! nt flamin lib Feb 2013 #3

Yup, yup! freshwest Feb 2013 #18

Exactly rightsideout Feb 2013 #71

I'm not looking forward to the opposing killing each other, though... freshwest Feb 2013 #89

It's reassuring to know weaponry like that is available to ordinary citizens TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #4

We don't know he has such weapons. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #83

manifesto claimed a .50 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #109

Tnx, I didn't read it. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #115

You're probably right about the missile launcher. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #117

His manifesto says he has it. You can either believe it or not. LisaL Feb 2013 #122

Oh, his manifesto says he has the launcher too? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #131

Yes, it is an interesting story. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #123

Missiles are definitely not available to ordinary citizens Recursion Feb 2013 #107

Oh my! I demand drone strikes against ALL suspected locations!!! nt Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #5

LA schools closed today, I believe nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #6

I think this guy has had this planned out. longship Feb 2013 #7

Agreed. Heimer Feb 2013 #8

He actually tipped his hand by saying he was going to wage 'asymmetrical warfare'. One tenet coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #85

I think he had a getaway vehicle prepositioned there. And kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #43

I agree that he's got something like that. longship Feb 2013 #55

I've been thinking about that. beevul Feb 2013 #104

Could be that an axle shaft broke, not the housing. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #126

I think so too. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #111

Might be armed with a shoulder-fired missile launcher. rdharma Feb 2013 #9

I doubt that hes shooting 5 inch long bullets dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #10

Have you seen the bullets that go into a .50 cal rifle like a Barrett? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #11

The cartridge is about 5 inches long; the bullet is far shorter. FarCenter Feb 2013 #12

What's he need that big thing for? Distance or big game? Seems like overkill, either way. freshwest Feb 2013 #19

Distance. And anti-material purposes. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #23

Why would a civilian need this? Bears? Buffalo? Shooting metal (cop cars, etc.) not a civilian use. freshwest Feb 2013 #24

The most common civilian use is long distance shooting... ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #25

It's easy to see with his manifesto that the PD and others have reason for concern. Whatever occurs, freshwest Feb 2013 #32

He's not a civilian. He's in the reserves. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #45

He is in the military obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #54

I thought the reserves kicked him out over this, that's part of his reasoning. freshwest Feb 2013 #60

His last day was Friday obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #63

Um - but he had already lost his security clearance. freshwest Feb 2013 #65

Prior to 1965, the National Liberation Front in Vietnam was pretty much armed coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #87

Yes I know what a .50 BMG looks like dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #74

Fine, let me be more precise. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #93

Yeah? And how long is the projectile - you know, the bullet. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #79

Overall length of the .50BMG round is about 5.5" rdharma Feb 2013 #14

I don't think the laws are something this particular subject cares too much about right now. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #26

What you mean is that .50 caliber rifles can only be owned by criminals. indie9197 Feb 2013 #27

He is in trouble. The woods he is hiding in will not Cleita Feb 2013 #16

Wow, this is a little like the movie First Blood maybe R B Garr Feb 2013 #20

Oh, movies? Cleita Feb 2013 #21

It's just that Dorner's move to go the mountains reminded me of that movie R B Garr Feb 2013 #22

It doesn't make sense that he would burn his method of transportation unless he had another one. indie9197 Feb 2013 #29

Those are pretty much my thoughts too. ellisonz Feb 2013 #31

I thought the same thing... KansDem Feb 2013 #99

They've conducted a pretty thorough search... ellisonz Feb 2013 #100

Why is the desert a better spot that the mountains? nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #36

Because I know and I think he knows. n/t Cleita Feb 2013 #56

Is it a secret? nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #58

No secret. Know the territoryl. Cleita Feb 2013 #62

So you're saying it's easier to know the territory? flamingdem Feb 2013 #64

A problem. Cleita Feb 2013 #67

The trees work both ways ellisonz Feb 2013 #101

I've seen this play: "Send In the Drones." WinkyDink Feb 2013 #30

Nope. The clowns, maybe. freshwest Feb 2013 #48

And those who haven't, will soon see it. And just in the nick of time! n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #75

"Don't bother, they're here." n/t appal_jack Feb 2013 #97

"The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio" Catherina Feb 2013 #133

YA, right. And if he has a platoon of people to carry all that shit he's golden. cliffordu Feb 2013 #33

It was stated by someone in the LAPD that he had the shoulder fired flamingdem Feb 2013 #34

I still believe they are lying about the shoulder fired rocket. cliffordu Feb 2013 #37

Someone turned one in in the Oakland gun exchange last month nt flamingdem Feb 2013 #40

I saw that - IIRC that was just a used tube, not the explosive flying part. cliffordu Feb 2013 #42

Ah. Wonder why the LAPD said that flamingdem Feb 2013 #44

You assume they have any credibility to lose? X_Digger Feb 2013 #47

I remember when the police chief said he wanted to use a flamethrower on Slauson flamingdem Feb 2013 #49

It was a disposable rocket-launcher tube krispos42 Feb 2013 #119

Dorner said he has man-poratble air-defense system in his manifesto. LisaL Feb 2013 #121

rude comment necessary I suppose flamingdem Feb 2013 #124

Yes, I took time in order to be able discuss it. LisaL Feb 2013 #125

The "Light 50s" weigh 30 pounds or less. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #38

OK, then I'm 15 lbs off. cliffordu Feb 2013 #41

I don't know to be honest. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #46

I though about one for a while until I realized there aint anyplace to shoot the damned thing within cliffordu Feb 2013 #52

Wow! You Did That Grueling Bike Ride? Kudos! Congrats! HangOnKids Feb 2013 #105

I carried my battalion's .50 for a hot minute Recursion Feb 2013 #113

Agreed -- definitely no rocket launcher obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #59

I am guessing Daninmo Feb 2013 #35

The truck he abandoned had a broken axel. Seems like this was unplanned flamingdem Feb 2013 #50

I thought about that, too, regarding the axel R B Garr Feb 2013 #57

Yes, why bother. That may be because he's manic flamingdem Feb 2013 #61

Or maybe he wants to mobilize more LEO and emergency vehicles R B Garr Feb 2013 #68

Maybe he's channeling his 'Burn, baby, burn' mojo :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #90

Another auto stashed seems likely with all that ammo and baggage R B Garr Feb 2013 #51

Yes, I saw mention of small, white car, on the way to Nevada, perhaps. He has property there, maybe. freshwest Feb 2013 #73

Do you think playing this out alone will work? He's got to get food, water, fuel, etc. Unless he was freshwest Feb 2013 #53

Correct.. he is out there on his own... lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #69

Oh, we're allowed to ask and argue - but not go on a killing spree. freshwest Feb 2013 #70

Navy Seals, The Russian, Israeli, English equivalent cliffordu Feb 2013 #78

"...his ex-girlfriend said he was paranoid and thought people might be out to get him."....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #84

But in her view, it was not justified, or she would have said so, no? freshwest Feb 2013 #86

True, but she might not have known of the details........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #91

Yep, old Henry Kissinger knew what he was talking about with that one. Folks are still after him... freshwest Feb 2013 #92

Apparently he got a restraining order against that girlfriend Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #94

False. LisaL Feb 2013 #95

OK thanks Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #96

Five-inch long bullets geckosfeet Feb 2013 #77

He's living out the right-wing extremist fantasy Hugabear Feb 2013 #98

To me, you bring up a valid point...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #112

And he's finding out that nobody is rallying to his side krispos42 Feb 2013 #120

I hope they get him soon davidpdx Feb 2013 #103

He must be one strong dude to lug that kind of stuff around slackmaster Feb 2013 #108

He certainly looks to be a very strong dude. LisaL Feb 2013 #116

I hope he's carrying both of those things krispos42 Feb 2013 #118

It Would Be One Helluva Load, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #127

The twit feed I'm watching says two long range rifles, a glock, and cold weather gear bemildred Feb 2013 #128

It would be advantageous to all involved, sir... krispos42 Feb 2013 #130

I heard his mother was one of the teachers and the truck was rigged.... rgbecker Feb 2013 #129

This is gut-wrenching case Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #132