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Confusious

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87. You lose the benefit of the doubt

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:26 PM

Feb 2013

When you're a violent escaped felon who stabbed a police officer, burglarized a home and when confronted refused to obey police commands.

Which means, you're assumed to be armed, unless you can prove you are not, by putting up your hands and/or lying on the ground splayed out.

Some people here seem to live up in towers with absolutely NO understanding about what the real world is like, what happens or what the rules are.

I'm not great at it myself, but I seem to know more then a lot of people around here, and that's pretty sad.

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Fugitive who stabbed officer fatally shot after manhunt in Texas [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP

They had every right to shoot him! Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #1

In Texas, most everything is executable... loudsue Feb 2013 #2

No. Light House Feb 2013 #3

He didn't show his hands? Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #4

When officers approached him, Light House Feb 2013 #5

And so they decided he was armed without evidence intaglio Feb 2013 #7

Wow, you should be a cop with that attitude. nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #10

So officers should kill on the slightest suspicion that a suspect is armed? intaglio Feb 2013 #12

There will be a set of rules treestar Feb 2013 #14

So someone who does not show his or her hands can, automatically, be shot intaglio Feb 2013 #15

What else is there to do? treestar Feb 2013 #60

As pointed out in another part of this thread intaglio Feb 2013 #71

Did you forget about the part where Light House Feb 2013 #17

So the act of assaulting a police officer denies due process? intaglio Feb 2013 #21

I gotta ask, Light House Feb 2013 #23

Crickets... because the OP obviously COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #35

I think this person put me on ignore Light House Feb 2013 #37

Well I certainly won't ignore you Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #39

Ok. Light House Feb 2013 #41

I would suggest that being put on ignore COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #51

I agree. Light House Feb 2013 #58

Apparently, to some the only time the police can actively respond to a CAG Feb 2013 #27

It would appear so. Light House Feb 2013 #29

day after day for 30 years. I'm glad I don't have that pressure. CAG Feb 2013 #31

K&R. Light House Feb 2013 #33

this is why mentally ill people are constantly killed liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #19

I couldn't agree more. Light House Feb 2013 #20

There is. It's called a taffy gun. Not used because... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #34

You lose the benefit of the doubt Confusious Feb 2013 #87

+100000 Light House Feb 2013 #89

Seems some around here either live in a glass tower, Confusious Feb 2013 #90

Is this the kind of police corruption everyone is so furious about? dkf Feb 2013 #6

OK, the action of the officers was not "corruption" intaglio Feb 2013 #8

Gee good thing Dorner killed himself or we would have had a death squad in SB too. dkf Feb 2013 #9

So you assume that Dorner did not kill himself? intaglio Feb 2013 #11

No I assume he did kill himself. dkf Feb 2013 #13

Accepting that then you have to look at your assumptions intaglio Feb 2013 #16

He refused to obey a lawful order, Light House Feb 2013 #18

So disobeying a lawful order is a capital crime intaglio Feb 2013 #22

Ever thought of not insulting people? Light House Feb 2013 #24

So that's a "yes" intaglio Feb 2013 #25

I do support due process, but the violent criminal has to want due process by surrendering. Light House Feb 2013 #26

Can you cite the case you are relying on? jberryhill Feb 2013 #28

I dare say that this person is going on emotions Light House Feb 2013 #30

Going on emotions you say? Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #53

Thank you very much. Light House Feb 2013 #59

So you know what I'm talking about Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Light House Feb 2013 #69

Where did I threaten you? Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #70

Ok. Light House Feb 2013 #72

Killing without evidence - except that the COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #36

Commiting a crime does not debar you from your day in court intaglio Feb 2013 #40

Along with having no background in police procedure COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #45

Or perhaps the escapee was just plain stupid. Thinking... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #38

Police proceedure intaglio Feb 2013 #42

You know nothing about police procedures Light House Feb 2013 #43

Do you? intaglio Feb 2013 #47

I VERY obviously have more education on police procedures than you do. Light House Feb 2013 #55

You keep ignoring the fact that none of what you say denies a person right to due process intaglio Feb 2013 #61

I think I detect the problem with your opinion on this shooting stevenleser Feb 2013 #86

Great post. Light House Feb 2013 #91

Taser and bean bags require a clear shot. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #92

Read your own post and the contradictions intaglio Feb 2013 #93

No. I am saying that in the face of several armed police... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #94

Escaped Felon Confusious Feb 2013 #88

Sticks and stones can get your ass killed if you're a recent cop killer geek tragedy Feb 2013 #32

Just imagine for a second that the person apprehended was not the criminal intaglio Feb 2013 #44

There's always going to be a tension in that sort of situation. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #46

Important words intaglio Feb 2013 #50

Last resort meaning all other reasonable options having been exhausted. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #52

Yup - should we "get a room"? n/t intaglio Feb 2013 #57

Just imagine for a second that the police decided COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #48

Just imagine that they had used other, approved proceedures intaglio Feb 2013 #64

How do you know they didn't try other methods? Light House Feb 2013 #68

Because I believe the police account of the incident intaglio Feb 2013 #73

Maybe the news just didn't mention it. Light House Feb 2013 #75

Yup, because what was described was an extra-judicial killing intaglio Feb 2013 #76

Please, Light House Feb 2013 #78

Do tell, and how is your master post on police procedure coming? intaglio Feb 2013 #80

Sorry, Light House Feb 2013 #81

Post 82 applies intaglio Feb 2013 #83

Well, Light House Feb 2013 #85

Imagine if they had shot the gun COLGATE4 Feb 2013 #95

Stop pretending you don't know what I mean intaglio Feb 2013 #96

You're really reaching now. Light House Feb 2013 #49

So you are a cop? Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #54

Why? Light House Feb 2013 #62

Because you are commenting on posters knowledge of Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #66

Yes I am, Light House Feb 2013 #77

You live in a fantasy world intaglio Feb 2013 #56

The more you keep talking, Light House Feb 2013 #65

OK, so educate me intaglio Feb 2013 #74

No thanks. Light House Feb 2013 #79

You make it too easy intaglio Feb 2013 #82

You have no idea what my education or occupation was. Light House Feb 2013 #84

Fortunately, they did not use a drone. quaker bill Feb 2013 #63