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nadinbrzezinski

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104. Well these guys so far, had managed to get the ILWU

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:40 PM

Jan 2012

a few concessions.

As to a national union, my personal dream is not a national union... but a continental one. Alas Samuel Gomper's dream, it is time for it.

What I have seen is that through the GA's you have actions that are approved nationwide, or at least West Coast wide. (That be technology, as fast as it is happening)

We will see this evolve. My guess is that you will see some sort of soft leadership emerge, but a hard hierarchy... no, that is not what OWS is about. As to it becoming a union... my guess, NOT this cycle, is that it is slowly evolving into a party, as in a political party, as well. Here we already have three OWSers running for office, and challenging BOTH democrats and republicans.

A part of it might form an umbrella organization for labor.

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So anything OWS does is right and everything police do is wrong [View all] nobodyspecial Jan 2012 OP

Nope, you were correct the first time. RoccoR5955 Jan 2012 #1

The idea that 100% of the 99% are peaceful protestors wtmusic Jan 2012 #3

Having been a witness to more than one OWS event nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #91

Neat little rationalization you got going there. randome Jan 2012 #4

No true OWSer... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #14

Well, isn't that convenient nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #18

I think you missed my sarcasm... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #30

I've seriously had people claim a teenage girl only pretended to be raped at an OWS camp... TheWraith Jan 2012 #39

And no "true cop" is a fascist pig MNBrewer Jan 2012 #37

Thanks for the well thought out, rationed and reasonable response... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #79

It's exactly as well-reasoned as your comment. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #106

Congratulations... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #107

Glad you see the error of your ways MNBrewer Jan 2012 #108

Prepare to be obliterated! randome Jan 2012 #2

Are you saying rational, logical thinking nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #6

No, I'm... randome Jan 2012 #9

You're kidding, right??? n/t greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #10

Actually, no. tabasco Jan 2012 #94

You got that right! Rex Feb 2012 #132

No the police are right about 30% of the time. Logical Jan 2012 #5

Are they right when they prevent people from taking over private property? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #7

Are you trying to say the police are harassed by citizens more than they harass citizens? Logical Jan 2012 #11

I am asking about two specific events that happened last night nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #21

I doubt you and I agree on police/citizen interactions much. Agree to disagree. Logical Jan 2012 #23

You're probably right nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #25

OK, I would bet 99% of the police have abused their power.... Logical Jan 2012 #28

I just said some need to be taken off the force nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #34

Yes, so do citizens. Being in a risky job does not mean you can harass people. Logical Jan 2012 #43

I agree nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #48

Yeah, cops do get shot at and/or killed every year......... socialist_n_TN Jan 2012 #45

Spot on! Mosaic Jan 2012 #52

They are not right to protect abandoned properties. Police should switch sides and join the protest. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #22

Right to assemble nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #35

They do have a right to assemble. The police should be protecting them instead of shooting them. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #51

Sure. All the cops should simply quit their jobs. randome Jan 2012 #53

Not quit their jobs...just do the right thing. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #64

Um, when a cop refuses a direct order from his superior nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #66

No, that is not the same as quitting. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #74

You live in a different world than I do nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #82

nope limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #89

I don't think what is going on is sustainable nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #97

Oh, sure they are nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #100

The right to assemble is protected, and I don't think that's in jeopardy. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #44

Mostly in agreement... limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #60

Somewhere there's a Samual Gompers waiting to give direction to OWS. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #88

Have you actually gone to any of the local occupies? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #92

No, and I'm sure you know alot more about it than I do. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #98

I report, but for example the last action here in san diego nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #103

Abandoned property goes to the state Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #95

you can't blame innocent victims hit by rubber bullets and dragged by the hair bigtree Jan 2012 #8

Blame the police for the brutality, absolutely. randome Jan 2012 #12

Thus the problem obliviously Jan 2012 #15

I don't remember every sit-in (in my time) being met with such violent force bigtree Jan 2012 #20

It wasn't a sit-in! randome Jan 2012 #29

It's a typical squatting protest using a vacant building. It most certainly is akin to a sit-in bigtree Jan 2012 #31

Exactly. The police response as usual was asymmetrical and Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2012 #33

Really? Are you sure? Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #46

Oh, those are only provacateurs nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #50

that poor fence bigtree Jan 2012 #55

They were defending the building Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #65

they have a perfect right to practice civil disobedience bigtree Jan 2012 #68

I think you need to tlook up the definition of "sit in" Hint: It's not a sit out. n/t Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #77

Or attempting to incite violence Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #40

The Police Lawlbringer Jan 2012 #13

'Romanticize'. randome Jan 2012 #27

The OPD is not under Federal supervision because it's full of nice people EFerrari Jan 2012 #57

No not everything protesters do is right and not everything cops do is wrong. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #16

who said? notadmblnd Jan 2012 #17

Apparently so. OWS- all good. Police & govt - all bad. Result = not the truth. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #19

try harder next time fascisthunter Jan 2012 #26

Watch the livestream and see. snot Jan 2012 #24

Personally, I think they're going about the movement in the wrong way JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #32

I recommend you go down to your local occupation and FIND OUT nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #93

I've been to the OWS in Youngstown. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #99

Well these guys so far, had managed to get the ILWU nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #104

Listen, if your world view is so broad that you can't accept a simple black and white leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #36

That may just be the very best post I've EVER seen here. nt Codeine Jan 2012 #38

Um, the world isn't black and white. randome Jan 2012 #41

Ya think? nt Codeine Jan 2012 #49

+1. That is hilarious and accurate. nt TheWraith Jan 2012 #42

Let's hope not Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #47

+1 Mz Pip Jan 2012 #70

Your OP doesn't have a middle for truth, or anything else to reside. Have you noticed? Mind if I ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #54

Thank you for your concern. aquart Jan 2012 #56

Yes, I'm a concern troll nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #58

Yep U4ikLefty Feb 2012 #129

You have to understand that either (a) the value system of many leftists has Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #59

That hasn't happened for a few days now nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #62

Of course you do. We know from DU that all incidences of skull cracking Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #63

It helps if we equalize and balance-out our perspective of every issue of concern bigtree Jan 2012 #67

And like clockwork...nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #69

I get it. Your fealty to your one opinion and viewpoint isn't binary thinking at all bigtree Jan 2012 #72

My fealty isn't swayed by three or four photographs.nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #73

dispute the account posted here then. You're just talking out of your own bigtree Jan 2012 #75

The value systems of many all along the spectrum is arrested, often far further back than 10th grade TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #87

That's black and white, absolutist thinking Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #61

not everything done under the auspices of the Civil Rights Movement was right and not every single Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #71

Surely you can't be serious... Rex Jan 2012 #76

I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Son of Gob Jan 2012 #78

Good stuff! Rex Jan 2012 #80

Economic justice is a civil right and no less important to the integrity of our Union. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #84

I agree nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #102

That has little to do with the OP, but thanks anyway for Rex Jan 2012 #113

Which is a big part of why your response was replied to with that post rather than the OP. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #128

Nonsense. Rex Feb 2012 #131

We're struggling against the global/national tyranny of the Banksters/1%. Zorra Jan 2012 #81

No, I don't nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #83

That logic can be applied almost universally. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #85

Yeah. I really don't know exactly what happened there re Zorra Jan 2012 #96

binary thinking and clearly a strawman. where's the "unrec" when you need it, dammit. inna Jan 2012 #86

OWS needs to disavow yesterday's protest, imo. gulliver Jan 2012 #101

That's the thing about an open decentralized movement RZM Jan 2012 #105

Pretty Much - The Pepper Spraying Of Students Taints All Police Forces Moving Forward cantbeserious Jan 2012 #109

Where is the logic in that? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #110

To Your Riposte We Will Never Agree - Best Let The Disagreement Rest cantbeserious Jan 2012 #111

Nope, no chance whatsoever Remember Me Jan 2012 #112

Total flame bait. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #114

+1000 Javaman Jan 2012 #124

Take for instance, the Rape of Nanking . . . mistertrickster Jan 2012 #115

Nowhere NEAR the middle. Iggo Jan 2012 #118

This OP could be the perfect example of a strawman. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #116

Yep. Iggo Jan 2012 #117

I hate this thinking MFrohike Jan 2012 #119

I like the way you speak. Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #121

Difficult to say Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #120

Anything Wall Street and their cronies do is right malaise Jan 2012 #122

Who said that? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #125

Not in the middle. mmonk Jan 2012 #123

Bookmarking as a taxonomical guide whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #126

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #127

Your tense is wrong. ClassWarrior Feb 2012 #130