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defacto7

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77. I think everyting has been said concerning Catholicism pro and con.

Reply to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

Mar 2013

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I agree with many things that have been said and disagree with much more... but is it necessary to continue bashing the Roman Catholic tradition? I think not. It's been said over and over ad nauseam.

If you want a flip side view of human tragedy, I would consider reading up on the Sacking of Rome by the German hordes of Martin Luther. Their aim was to make the Catholics feel the wrath of hell on earth before they were killed. Never was there a time in the history of mankind that humans were more barbaric than what those who sacked Rome in the name of Martin Luther wreaked on a populous. Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan would have been touched.

The Catholic Church is not the problem.

edit: the spelling of the word "hordes" previously spelled "hoards" Would hate to mix anyone up on whether the Germans were trying to hoard Martin Luther but I am not sure how Germans would do that. You know... context/words.. forest/trees, that kind of thing.

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About this whole Catholic-trashing thing--I offer the following, [View all] Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 OP

I admit I was a poor student in high school, but how did I miss "Adlai Stevenson's presidency"? Scuba Mar 2013 #1

That was a rather glaring error, wasn't it? MineralMan Mar 2013 #7

I think if you're Catholic Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #14

the point is anti-Catholicism was an issue in BainsBane Mar 2013 #74

Highly recommended. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #2

Then you support trashing Catholics. Good n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #4

No, I support not trashing them nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #5

Oh! I get it! So Catholic bigotry is good, but anti-Catholic "bigotry" is bad Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #10

Why do you insist on insulting Nadin and putting words in her mouth? Dragonfli Mar 2013 #21

The poster believes no "bigotry" is acceptable... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #23

Who is defending the hierarchy? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #28

Let's review Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #43

Piss poor review, intentionally misleading in fact Dragonfli Mar 2013 #44

Piss poor understanding of the English language nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #46

I can see that you blame the many for the crimes of the few, Dragonfli Mar 2013 #37

I've been saying exactly this in a couple of threads union_maid Mar 2013 #70

Doubtful, one thing I have learned is hatred deafens the mind and eats the soul /nt Dragonfli Mar 2013 #73

Thank you for your post Tumbulu Mar 2013 #75

Catholic Charities is wonderful. Some Protestant churches are JDPriestly Mar 2013 #82

I don't doubt it for a second, my late wife's business partner grew up Dragonfli Mar 2013 #104

When forced to identify my beliefs, I generally say something like "pagan/Buddhist" Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #136

Very good statement. Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #144

K&R I am with you. No fucking way am I going to let them celebrate election of homophobic bigot, idwiyo Mar 2013 #63

the "military hunta collaborator" has been soundly debunked magical thyme Mar 2013 #129

Ill take Caterina's word about 2 Jesuit priests for now and drop the collaborator accusation. idwiyo Mar 2013 #132

Thanks for saying what I did not say. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #26

Isn't the "respond to a fictional statement instead of the post" brigade wonderful? Posteritatis Mar 2013 #31

They are...nerves must have been seriously hit. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #47

This poster just has a beef with Nadin Taverner Mar 2013 #123

You should stick with addressing the content of the post and not the person writing it. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #134

I'm missing the logic here. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #8

There is nothing to miss. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #18

I hope you would include those who completely ignore the many JDPriestly Mar 2013 #79

At the moment we are talking of the current nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #80

I thought porn was the outrage of the day? RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #3

Daniel Berrigan was a Catholic priest. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #6

Weren't both of the Berrigans Catholic priests? n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #9

Yes WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #11

I believe Bishop Oscar Romero mitchtv Mar 2013 #140

but were they porn stars? kwassa Mar 2013 #60

"Historically, the Catholics have been a mainstay of political liberalism in the US." LAGC Mar 2013 #12

I was just about to post the same. Catholics have been heading to the GOP for the last few decades. progressoid Mar 2013 #17

Maybe because we tell them they suck and don't want them? (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #107

It's because White Catholics are increasingly an aging demographic, trending conservative just as Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #128

Maybe we told them Black people and Gay people don't suck and they left us. progressoid Mar 2013 #133

Defining "Catholics" as "white Catholics" is a little dishonest. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #32

Indeed, white Catholics are fleeing the church in droves. LAGC Mar 2013 #36

I posted those figures in answer to a particular question: muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #65

Wrong. Liberal, not Democratic. Still are. DirkGently Mar 2013 #48

Yes. With regard to these issues, there are really two Protestant directions. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #85

Regardless, the attempt to generalize is nasty & unsupportable. DirkGently Mar 2013 #86

My area has lots of Catholics who vote for Democrats. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #89

catholics vote more democratic than protestants. and latino catholics don't just 'lean' dem, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #99

The Maryknolls, the Catholic Workers-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #138

I loved the Catholics in my area growing up. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #13

+1 stevenleser Mar 2013 #19

There's a fair amount of "Mary worshippers" venom under the surface here. DirkGently Mar 2013 #50

I'm glad you have found peace liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #66

Catholics are not a mainstay of political libreralism... MellowDem Mar 2013 #15

I'm just wondering which religious people are the most culpable DirkGently Mar 2013 #88

Oh please... MellowDem Mar 2013 #130

Well, no. The "red herring" is that Catholic liberals DirkGently Mar 2013 #139

They vote more democratic than protestants. and are more liberal on social issues than the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #100

Hispanics vote Democratic more than whites... MellowDem Mar 2013 #131

and whites are less liberal generally than hispanics (or blacks) is all *you're* saying. White HiPointDem Mar 2013 #137

Liberal Catholics should boycott the Church, financially. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #16

I do that treestar Mar 2013 #25

Oh shit, you are going to be accused of bigotry. Just watch. idwiyo Mar 2013 #39

No kidding. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #98

I kind of feel sorry for them. I would feel sick if I found that one of the non-religious charities idwiyo Mar 2013 #106

Nuns, who were my teachers, made a feminist out of me long before Cleita Mar 2013 #20

The nuns taught you that you "could accomplish what goals you wanted rhett o rick Mar 2013 #30

There never was one of those to get in my way, because I didn't let them. Cleita Mar 2013 #35

I applaud the victories of the nuns. I know Catholics and have known nuns and priests and rhett o rick Mar 2013 #40

I agree. It's time for them to come out of the Middle Ages and start Cleita Mar 2013 #41

Well said. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #42

This paragraph says it (O.P.) in a slightly different way: UTUSN Mar 2013 #22

A very long history with many people treestar Mar 2013 #24

It's a difference between European Platonism RainDog Mar 2013 #27

I wish I would have taken my mom's offer to send me to St. Edwards here in Cleveland.... WCGreen Mar 2013 #29

If I can be held responsible for the "evils" of my gender, then Catholics... TheMadMonk Mar 2013 #33

That's just it. There are bad people in every group of people. There are bad people here on DU. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #67

Sorry, but I'm yet to meet a Catholic who understands what Jesus taught. talkingmime Mar 2013 #34

Or Catholics are too intelligent to take the Bible literally. DirkGently Mar 2013 #49

How is it bigoted? idwiyo Mar 2013 #51

Really? Catholics are "wrapped in ritual" & don't know Jeeesus? DirkGently Mar 2013 #53

Catholics are not wrapped in ritual? Of course they are, and so are other religions. All of them are idwiyo Mar 2013 #56

Your first silly, smug assumption is that I'm a believer. DirkGently Mar 2013 #83

For an atheist, you sure do protest much. LAGC Mar 2013 #92

Just not the jackass type. Did you have a response to my actual post? DirkGently Mar 2013 #93

There have been studies that have shown... LAGC Mar 2013 #95

Oh noooooo. These posters both know more than ANY religious person. DirkGently Mar 2013 #97

+1. You find some of the same posters doing the same routine about fat people, walmart white HiPointDem Mar 2013 #102

Ayn Rand? How did that sneak in? I won't wast my time on that crap. talkingmime Mar 2013 #110

Where the hell did I say you are a believer? Can you point it to me please? idwiyo Mar 2013 #108

Your view is a tad on the bigoted side nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #52

... idwiyo Mar 2013 #58

It's a simple observation. I've been to Catholic churches, Protestant churches, talkingmime Mar 2013 #114

Given Catholics accept evolution nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #115

Actually, that's exactly my view on it. If you don't take "six days" literally,... talkingmime Mar 2013 #117

Religious iirc nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #118

"iirc"? What does that stand for? talkingmime Mar 2013 #119

Net slang for If I Remember Correctly. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #120

Ah, got it. So the movie is just called "Religious". talkingmime Mar 2013 #121

I am looking for it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #122

Suggestion for you--since you seem to regard yourself corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #54

Yoohooo more bigotry!!!! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #62

These smug, self-satisfied little atheists give the rest us non-believers a bad name. DirkGently Mar 2013 #91

Pray to tell who gave you permission to speak for the rest of the atheists? idwiyo Mar 2013 #109

God. talkingmime Mar 2013 #111

Must be :) :) :) idwiyo Mar 2013 #113

Sorry. I couldn't resist. talkingmime Mar 2013 #116

You. Are. Bad. Really bad. idwiyo Mar 2013 #124

Well, it WAS one of those shoes that fit! talkingmime Mar 2013 #125

Coffee. All over IPad. AND white sofa. idwiyo Mar 2013 #126

Oh shit. Sorry. talkingmime Mar 2013 #127

Would I have to wear a collar? talkingmime Mar 2013 #112

No collar--just have your MENSA membership corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #141

Yeah, I wish. I'm not even close to MENSA level. And I do wear a collar. talkingmime Mar 2013 #142

I am very happy to recommend this post. MissMarple Mar 2013 #38

I haven't been a catholic since college, but I learned social justice and compassion from the nuns s-cubed Mar 2013 #45

Just like with other groups of people it is the younger generations that change the way they view liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #72

The religious beliefs aren't what's at issue here lbrtbell Mar 2013 #55

Some people stay in a faith & try to make it mean something better. DirkGently Mar 2013 #96

I was touched by the Pope's first public mass. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #57

Too bad he doesn't give a fuck about Gays, doesn't respect women enough to let them decide idwiyo Mar 2013 #59

Yes, and I'm sure you are perfect of course. I love the ignore button. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #61

Oh fuck. You actually went as low as to excuse homophobia and misogyny. Well done. idwiyo Mar 2013 #64

"Gay marriage is Satan's work." Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #68

Wow. Really? Apophis Mar 2013 #71

Can you post on the other listserv to tell them their historical knowledge is appalling? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #69

can republicans as a group still be bashed here? logic in thread says no lunasun Mar 2013 #76

How BIGOTED and broad-brushed to trash the GOP! It has done great things in the past! Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #84

there are moderate republicans out there that are willing to reach across the isle liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #87

You truly missed the satiric point of the post. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #90

No, I don't think they did. DirkGently Mar 2013 #94

I think everyting has been said concerning Catholicism pro and con. defacto7 Mar 2013 #77

That would be German HORDES... LAGC Mar 2013 #101

Ahhhhh.... defacto7 Mar 2013 #103

When was Adlai Stevenson's presidency? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #78

K&R for giving a damn about the feelinbgs of Catholic DUers...I'm not Catholic but they aren't Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #81

I have a similar problem with Boy Scouts, their policies really infuriate me. gordianot Mar 2013 #105

Recommended Hekate Mar 2013 #135

Certainly matches my experience. JNelson6563 Mar 2013 #143