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37. Your problem is not just the NRA. ...
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
Mar 2013

Estimates vary but there are somewhere between 80 to 100 million gun owners in our nation. Only 4.5 to 5 million belong to the NRA.

Obviously gun owners are just as distressed as non gun owners over the recent tragedies that have recently occurred and by criminal gun violence. However, it is hard to convince an honest, responsible and sane gun owner that he is in any way responsible for these incidents.

While some gun owners will agree that there is no reason for anyone to own an assault style rifle or a pistol with a magazine capacity of over ten rounds, many do not.

Gun owners will point out that rifles such as the AR-15 are used for hunting in many states and target shooters use them in national competitions. While not the best firearm to use for self defense in an urban environment they might be a good weapon for those who live in a rural area. They are accurate, reliable and have a very low recoil which makes them a pleasure to shoot. A shotgun is possibly the best choice for a self defense weapon at close range but unlike what you see in the movies it has to be aimed and the recoil is intimidating for those not used to handling a powerful weapon.

(I should stop to point out that most states that allow an AR-15 for hunting game such as deer place a limit on the number of rounds a hunter has in a magazine. However hunters often use AR style rifles to hunt feral hogs while using 20 or 30 round magazines. Wild hogs are a significant problem in states like Florida and Texas as these pests are not native to our nation and cause considerable damage to the environment and to crops on farms.

Also while a 12 gauge shotgun has a nasty recoil, a 410 or 20 gauge shotgun has far less and with proper loads should be adequate for self defense.)


Right or wrong, gun owners often believe that passing another assault weapons ban will do little to reduce the level of gun violence and the number of massacres carried out by deranged individuals. They believe that if it passes and fails, the next ban will be for all semi-automatic firearms and then all handguns. Therefore they oppose any and all bans.

Gun owners vote. They do not often vote for politicians who wish to impose strong gun control such as bans on certain weapons. This is largely because they have a fair to considerable amount of money invested in their shooting hobby and own several firearms or even a large collection. People who do not own firearms also vote but they have no money in the game and are largely driven by emotion. Demand for gun control increases dramatically after a terrible tragedy but rapidly drops as time passes.

Another factor rarely considered is that each state only gets two Senators. Gun control may have strong support in a liberal state with a large population but be very unpopular in a less populated state where firearm ownership is common. Therefore gun control may be supported by the majority of citizens in our nation but will be unable to pass in the Senate because the voters from the smaller states effectively have more power than the voters from the big states.

The media paints the NRA and its donations as the reason gun control efforts are stymied. The NRA is indeed a strong organization with good lobbyists. However, the real reason legislation such as the AWB fails is because an enormous block of voters oppose it and the politicians fear the ballot box.

If there is anything positive in this situation, it's that gun owners do wish to see current laws improved and better enforced. They will also support new legislation that has a good chance of decreasing gun violence.

Is the end objective to disarm all Americans or to decrease gun violence and tragic massacres? If your goal is the first then assault weapons ban is a good first step but you face a long and difficult road. If you wish to reduce criminal gun violence and tragedies caused by those with severe mental issue, you can improve and better enforce existing laws and work to pass new legislation that will prove effective and you will find the path easier.

One fact rarely mentioned by both sides of the gun control debate is that gun violence in our nation has fallen to levels last seen in the late 1960s. We seem to be heading in the right direction but we can still do far better.

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the worse congress money can buy spanone Mar 2013 #1
I just love black and white thinking. Carry on. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #18
Meek Mike, the Great Equalizer has done just that. Support the 800 Mayors against Guns. graham4anything Mar 2013 #2
Thats great, support one of the worst 1%ers out there to the hilt ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #4
the NRA and the people with guns are the authoritarians and the bullies graham4anything Mar 2013 #5
1%ers are the bullies...and they do it everywhere, just like Bloomie ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #9
Joe Biden is against guns/bullets. graham4anything Mar 2013 #10
This is about 1%ers and the worshiping of them ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #11
Didn't Biden say people should get a shotgun or something to that effect? dkf Mar 2013 #17
And didn't Biden support the Iraq War Resolution? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #28
What are we doing in Syria I wonder? dkf Mar 2013 #30
Get a shotgun and fire it through the door at noises on the other side if I remember correctly. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #31
Wow. I wonder what his wife thinks about his cavalier attitude towards doors. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #32
All's I know is that he hates doors. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #38
Their numbers "skyrocket" after Newtown. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #15
I was referring to the mayors ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #34
I did not know this. Thanks for the information! Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #13
You might want to cross post this in the new Gun Control Reform Activism ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #3
Do you know of any anti-gun candidates? Or a lot of anti-gun citizens? Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #6
anti-gun citizens, yes Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #7
I said I don't "know" any. I see some posters in blogs say they are, but I don't know them. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #21
Actually is just a handful, some of who post with great frequency ... Scuba Mar 2013 #26
It was just an idea that popped into my head. Your point is valid. But I see that there is Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #14
Would Dianne Feinstein, according to her own words, qualify? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #33
Deceptive editing? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #39
Good idea. bluedigger Mar 2013 #8
There are numerous such organizations Lurks Often Mar 2013 #12
I like it, nra power is money not votes imho XRubicon Mar 2013 #16
Maybe gabby Giffords PAC can do something? Not sure marions ghost Mar 2013 #19
See we are scatered. If all these groups got together and pooled their money they could Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #24
Groups could network marions ghost Mar 2013 #29
So you believe that"buy us a great congress and senate!" is the way to run the country? oneshooter Mar 2013 #40
It would be a VERY good idea to have our authentic position on the 2nd Amendment represented for patrice Mar 2013 #20
It'd be fun to try to co-opt the N, R, A & smart to use the word NATIONAL in the name, so . . . patrice Mar 2013 #22
National Responsible Arms Authority Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #23
I like the way that word parallels the NRA's own de facto claims of absolute authority. I also patrice Mar 2013 #27
Something like this could be used as a central set of standards to assess the extent to which patrice Mar 2013 #25
I don't think much short of repealing the 2nd would make much difference, to be honest. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #35
Fundamental problem with your idea. krispos42 Mar 2013 #36
Your problem is not just the NRA. ... spin Mar 2013 #37
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